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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2741 Postby Stormavoider » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:31 pm

Bertha seems to be moving almost due north over the last few frames.
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#2742 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:33 pm

If it gets that high deltadog03 it would be very impressive, indeed it would quite possibly be up there with some of the strongest July hurricanes. Right now its got to strenghen more to get that title as its only a low end cat-3 BUT with a central pressure of 948mbs its got to be close to the top 10 storngest July storms ever, if not in it already?
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2743 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:34 pm

Stormavoider wrote:Bertha seems to be moving almost due north over the last few frames.

yeah..should continue for another 6 hours or so...although I think despite the northward movement, higher than the current forecast position, it should begin to even out to a more westward movement, coming directly at, or just to the north of, the next forecast point.

I wonder how strong bertha currently is...
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2744 Postby Mecklenburg » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:34 pm

could bertha manage to pull off a cat 4 on the next advisory?... this season is beginning to get interesting
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#2745 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:36 pm

Hmm all depends on what the Sat.estimates are for this system as they are all we've really got with no recon being out there.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2746 Postby Mecklenburg » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:37 pm

bertha really did made a shocker this early in the season
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#2747 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:38 pm

KWT wrote:Hmm all depends on what the Sat.estimates are for this system as they are all we've really got with no recon being out there.


Probably they'll need consensus T6.0 to go there.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2748 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:39 pm

Based on trends and analysis, it appears that the northward movement is permanent. Bertha will likely recurve slowly and pass well east of Bermuda in the wake of the TUTT.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-vis.html

My forecasts for a track along the western perimeter of the cone and model guidance will be a significant bust; in fact, it is recurving east of the guidance!
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2749 Postby Mecklenburg » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:40 pm

the cape verde season awakens from it's slumber in 2005, 2006 and 2007
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2750 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:40 pm

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Advisory 070708 update

Hurricane Bertha has been upgraded to Major Hurricane Bertha.

No graphic at this time.

Central Atlantic....Major Hurricane Bertha. Hurricane Bertha has skipped over the category 2 status surprisingly and has become a Major Hurricane. Bertha's eye has continued to clear. I think that it is accurate to say Bertha has continued to strengthen up to 120mph. I dont see Bertha weakening or peaking in the next 6 hours. Category 4 may very well be in the cards.

No track change at this time, but will likely be changed at my next update. Bermuda needs to prepare now for a possible category 4.

It would be great if we could see what Bertha's real intensity is. At the moment I feel that it is being underestimated.

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2751 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:41 pm

Mecklenburg wrote:the cape verde season awakens from it's slumber in 2005, 2006 and 2007

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Big Bertha earns her name!
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2752 Postby cpdaman » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:41 pm

miami you are jumping the gun and i'm surprised at this type of post from you

the steering flow (200-700) clearly showed a NW movement even more than 315 degrees until either 22.5 N latitude or 52.5 longitude and after that bent to the west, this current movement does not mean the system will not move westward tomorrow and bermuda may very well be effected
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#2753 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:42 pm

Npot so fast MiamiensisWx the weakness is now moving away and the upper high will start to effect it soon. The GFDL does show the recurve starting now though so I'm not going to dismiss that but equally it may just be a breif movement towards the weakness before it gets shunted back WNW.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2754 Postby weatherman21 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:43 pm

A few images from the Integrated Data Viewer:

GOES Close Infrared Satellite:
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GOES Infrared Satellite with 1000MB Winds from GFS 18Z Initialization:
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GOES Infrared Satellite:
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GOES Water Vapor:
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#2755 Postby Stratosphere747 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:44 pm

I'm assuming he means that there will be no true westward movement in the future, ie; stalling/meandering and coming back towards the EC.
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#2756 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:45 pm

KWT wrote:Npot so fast MiamiensisWx the weakness is now moving away and the upper high will start to effect it soon. The GFDL does show the recurve starting now though so I'm not going to dismiss that but equally it may just be a breif movement towards the weakness before it gets shunted back WNW.

WV suggests that a slow recurvature is occurring now:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html

It's encountering the upper level weakness and gradually moving north. Although the ridging will move east over the next few days, it will be weaker, so it won't halt a long term recurvature. The evidence has become too convincing now.
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#2757 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:46 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
KWT wrote:Npot so fast MiamiensisWx the weakness is now moving away and the upper high will start to effect it soon. The GFDL does show the recurve starting now though so I'm not going to dismiss that but equally it may just be a breif movement towards the weakness before it gets shunted back WNW.

WV suggests that a slow recurvature is occurring now:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html

Steering currents suggest that it is about to turn back towards the wnw/w too.
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#2758 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:47 pm

Stratosphere747, nope he clearly states its going to go east of model concensus, in other words its recurving already.

IMO there clearly is NW movement right now probably around 310 I'd guess, though this is probably just a fling towards the weakness. If it can gain enough latitude then as its a very deep storm now its not impossible for it to get picked up here and now but it should be able to escape this first weakness if it carries on slowly.
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#2759 Postby RL3AO » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:48 pm

Someone brought this up in chat. Aren't the UAV drones supposed to be used more widespread this season?
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2760 Postby weatherman21 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:49 pm

GOES Infrared Satellite from another angle:
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