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#21 Postby Portastorm » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:57 am

Frank2 wrote:...all we have to do is read the early thoughts on Bertha - especially that "head for the hills" comment, to know that the outcome is usually much different that any prediction...

Earlier today I was thinking about the disasterous 2005 Hurricane Rita evacuation, and, how most or all of the lives lost in the panic could have been saved, had the national and local media kept calm, and, realized that the Hurricane Katrina scenario was unlikely to be duplicated in an area much different than New Orleans...

True, Rita was just as powerful, but, the models were continually showing Rita as peaking in intensity and moving north of the Houston area before landfall, but, the local media seemed intent on playing up the disaster scenario as much as possible, instead of telling local residents that only Galveston Island would be affected in any significant way - so much human suffering could have been avoided, had the media kept control of their imagination...

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With all due respect, the NHC had a hurricane watch from Port Mansfield, Texas, to Intracoastal City, La., about 36-40 hours from projected landfall. That placed Houston in a high-risk "cone." At that point, had the local media told Houston-area residents "don't worry about Rita unless you're in Galveston" ... it would have been highly irresponsible! The storm was a strong category 4 at that point.

I'm not absolving the media from sensationalism. Everyone's sensitivies in southeast Texas were high at that point given the kind of year 2005 was and the disaster from Katrina.
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#22 Postby Eyewall » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:31 am

So far the GFS has done a good job this season with Bertha and Arthur. I have no reason why this could not happen. 8-)
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#23 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:54 am

One Cape Verde storm is relatively rare in July (especially early July) but two Cape Verde storms would really be interesting to see this month!!
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#24 Postby micktooth » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:37 pm

KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.



Wow! Can you also tell us the winning lottery numbers for next week? :lol:
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#26 Postby jinftl » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:07 pm

Totally agree...imagine the scenario...and political fallout...if local officials on up had not taken these precautions in Houston and the Rita wobbled and came onshore over Galveston Island instead..esp. just weeks after Katrina. There was no way that the officials would not have had a knee jerk reaction so soon after Katrina....and this is ok. That doesn't mean the evacuation process wasn't blundered...no argument there...but that isn't grounds for not making use a full scale prep for an approching Cat 5 in the Gulf.

All models have a margin of error...and what is being argued is that the center line should be taken at face value.

The scenario where officials downplay and fail to prepare residents is more reminiscent of Myanamar than anything this country would ever allow to take place.


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Frank2 wrote:...all we have to do is read the early thoughts on Bertha - especially that "head for the hills" comment, to know that the outcome is usually much different that any prediction...

Earlier today I was thinking about the disasterous 2005 Hurricane Rita evacuation, and, how most or all of the lives lost in the panic could have been saved, had the national and local media kept calm, and, realized that the Hurricane Katrina scenario was unlikely to be duplicated in an area much different than New Orleans...

True, Rita was just as powerful, but, the models were continually showing Rita as peaking in intensity and moving north of the Houston area before landfall, but, the local media seemed intent on playing up the disaster scenario as much as possible, instead of telling local residents that only Galveston Island would be affected in any significant way - so much human suffering could have been avoided, had the media kept control of their imagination...

Frank


With all due respect, the NHC had a hurricane watch from Port Mansfield, Texas, to Intracoastal City, La., about 36-40 hours from projected landfall. That placed Houston in a high-risk "cone." At that point, had the local media told Houston-area residents "don't worry about Rita unless you're in Galveston" ... it would have been highly irresponsible! The storm was a strong category 4 at that point.

I'm not absolving the media from sensationalism. Everyone's sensitivies in southeast Texas were high at that point given the kind of year 2005 was and the disaster from Katrina.
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#27 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:28 pm

Will it be that big mass of clouds in the middle of the continent?

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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#28 Postby frankp » Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:19 pm

micktooth wrote:
KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.



Wow! Can you also tell us the winning lottery numbers for next week? :lol:


4 8 15 16 23 42 :wink:
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#29 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:53 pm

frankp wrote:
micktooth wrote:
KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.



Wow! Can you also tell us the winning lottery numbers for next week? :lol:


4 8 15 16 23 42 :wink:


Don't play them man! The numbers are bad! :wink:
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#30 Postby Category 5 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:54 pm

KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.


A little early isn't it?
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#31 Postby RL3AO » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:59 pm

Category 5 wrote:
KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.


A little early isn't it?


I think the area of clouds over Indonesia will be a Florida threat in early August. :D
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#32 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:13 pm

GFS has a 1010 mb low moving wnw.I would like to see more model support to then take a more closer look.

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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#33 Postby brunota2003 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:51 pm

frankp wrote:
micktooth wrote:
KatDaddy wrote:This one will track much farther W than Bertha and eventually become GOM problem but that is at least a week away.



Wow! Can you also tell us the winning lottery numbers for next week? :lol:


4 8 15 16 23 42 :wink:

Ohh...A Lostie. So, think the Dharma people have to do with the GFS showing this area developing? Or are the Others attempting to Cloud Seed with the Black Smoke again?
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#34 Postby perk » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 pm

I agree with Portastorm about the media. I think they did a good job on covering Rita although they did sensationalize it .We had a cat5 storm headed toward the Houston/Galveston area .We had'nt seen a major Hurricane since Alicia in 1983, coupled with the weeks of coverage on Katrina this created panic. The problem is our local government was not prepared for what they were about to face. No contra flow, no fuel along the evacuation routes,and people evacuating without the needed supplies did'nt help the situation. I think the next time things will go a lot smoother, but unfortunately a survey taken indicated that 50% of the people would not evacuate again.
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#35 Postby KatDaddy » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:39 pm

Yeah Yeah I know. If you win do I get few bucks :)
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#36 Postby KatDaddy » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:50 pm

The local media did the best expected after Katrina. Our area was faced with a signifcant event that would have made Alicia seem like seabreeze thunderstorm. Rita coming onshore at a CAT 4/5 would have changed this place forever. The reality is, it will happen and people in this area better be prepared. Rita was a serious wake-up call and thankfully we were spared.
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#37 Postby ROCK » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:10 pm

KatDaddy wrote:The local media did the best expected after Katrina. Our area was faced with a signifcant event that would have made Alicia seem like seabreeze thunderstorm. Rita coming onshore at a CAT 4/5 would have changed this place forever. The reality is, it will happen and people in this area better be prepared. Rita was a serious wake-up call and thankfully we were spared.




Agreed......25 years since Alicia is a long time. Rita helped Houston in a lot of ways. Interesting GFS runs, Kat, EWG for sure.

BTW- EWG when are you coming back to Texas you traitor.... :lol:
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Re: GFS spawns New Low off Africa witnin 48 Hours

#38 Postby ROCK » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:13 pm

cycloneye wrote:Will it be that big mass of clouds in the middle of the continent?

Image

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http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/registerql.html



For those who dont register I use:

http://oiswww.eumetsat.org



to get closeup look at Africa and waves as they exit the coast.
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#39 Postby ryantucker » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:27 pm

I think there will be many powerful storms this year because of global warming heating up the ocean waters.
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#40 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:31 pm

ryantucker wrote:I think there will be many powerful storms this year because of global warming heating up the ocean waters.

Al, is that you? :wink:
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