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#3561 Postby Chacor » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:05 pm

Which makes the best-track ACE 13.975 (operationally 14.11).
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#3562 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:12 pm

Chacor wrote:Nice table, HURAKAN.


As always trying to impress using PowerPoint!!!
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3563 Postby RattleMan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:17 pm

Chacor wrote:
cycloneye wrote:ACE for Bertha continues to go up,now 13.915,the season in total is at 14.3:

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Season total
Storm Type ACE (104 kt2)
01L (Arthur) Operational 0.3675
02L (Bertha) Operational 13.915
Total  14.2825


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Atlan ... ane_season


That's, again, wrong. Operationally it's 13.5475; best-track is 13.4125. Not 13.915.

I can confirm that:
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The above was generated by a program that I wrote.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3564 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:22 pm

I wont follow wiki anymore as they are slightly behind.I will follow those tables with the updated ACE.
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#3565 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:32 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-avn.html
Kinda seems as if she's falling apart....like she does every single night. :roll:
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3566 Postby jasons2k » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:39 pm

Mostly lurking but it looks like dry air intrusion to me
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#3567 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:50 pm

its eyewall replacement of the type I have only seen in a model simulation where I had to do a LOT of fudging
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3568 Postby wxmann_91 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:56 pm

jasons wrote:Mostly lurking but it looks like dry air intrusion to me

99.99% sure it's ERC.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3569 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:06 pm

wxmann_91 wrote:
jasons wrote:Mostly lurking but it looks like dry air intrusion to me

99.99% sure it's ERC.


It looks like it is going to have one big eye when she is through :eek:
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3570 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:17 pm

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3571 Postby JonathanBelles » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:38 pm

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Its gotta moon for an eye!
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#3572 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:38 pm

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Bertha never ceases to amaze.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3573 Postby Sanibel » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:51 pm

Can't have an eye THAT big. The Atlantic could be changing it.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3574 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:54 pm

Sanibel wrote:Can't have an eye THAT big. The Atlantic could be changing it.

There have been numerous typhoons in the western Pacific that exhibited very large eyes after an ERC. They also featured similar intensities on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale to Bertha at the time.

I believe the bolded statement is false.
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#3575 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:07 pm

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New eye should be complete in the overnight hours and the storm could re-intensify again.
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#3576 Postby Squarethecircle » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:13 pm

Wow, that's going to be a really large eye. I remember that Krosa last year had an eye of similar width in regards to the storm, but it hadn't even been a hurricane very long at all, and certainly hadn't had an EWRC.
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#3577 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:13 pm

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Western Atlantic

#3578 Postby AJC3 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:14 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
Sanibel wrote:Can't have an eye THAT big. The Atlantic could be changing it.

There have been numerous typhoons in the western Pacific that exhibited very large eyes after an ERC. They also featured similar intensities on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale to Bertha at the time.

I believe the bolded statement is false.


Indeed. There are many many cases of annular typhoons with enormous eyes, and while they are much more common in the Pacific, the Atlantic has seen a few as well (most notably in recent years, Isabel).

1997's STY Winnie... https://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/atcr ... 3/14ww.htm had an enormous eye once it became annular after and EWRC. So did 2000's Jelawat. You wanna talk a ginormously sick eye....try the 200NM diameter eye of 1960's Carmen on for size. Somewhere on line is a radar image of it...too lazy to look for it right now.

edit: grainy radar image can be found here: https://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/atcr ... wnp/31.pdf
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#3579 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:19 pm

1974: Carmen

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#3580 Postby AJC3 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:20 pm

HURAKAN wrote:1974: Carmen

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Sandy, if that's from 1974, then it's the wrong Carmen (although, interestingly enough, it appears from that radar image that 1974's Carmen may have had a concentric double eye structure!)
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