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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5721 Postby randge » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:18 pm

quote="txwatcher91"]
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txwatcher91 wrote:IMO this will become a strong Cat 3 or low-end Cat 4 before landfall.


That's a bold prediction. your reasoning?

Outlflow is excellent, forward speed SHOULD decrease, higher TCHP ahead, better upper level conditions, more time for the core to organize, and the DMAX tomorrow morning will contribute to this strengthening pretty readily, althought this does not mean it will verify.[/quote]

I saw this a few pages back. Can someone define DMAX for an interested noob? I've been all over the Storm2K glossary and the internet looking for a definition.

Thanx in advance.
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#5722 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:19 pm

honestly if it does get a structurre 140mph is easily do-able, just look at Bret for a great example of what these waters can do...

wxman57, wow thats a very agressive forecast, 100mph is pretty hefty hurricane as it is and even a major hurricane, I've thought all along a cat-2/3 was possible and so who knows!

Also I estimated 295 earlier so good to hear it was pretty close!
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#5723 Postby Cat5x » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:20 pm

I don't think it is all "THAT" impressive yet. Yes one little blow up by the center but still its not that big of a blow up and you cant tell if it will continue or flare out.

I think the ULL to the south of it + the inflow coming off of land is killing the souther part of Dolly. If you look at the satellite loops watch the clouds wrapping around the west side as they go to the south west the ULL diverts them around it. So that plus inflow from land killing the bottom part of Dolly.


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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5724 Postby canetracker » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:20 pm

wxman57 wrote:Busy day. Got up at 3:30am and was at work by 5. Left the office at 4:30pm. I see there's a discussion about Dolly's current movement. I just opened up GARP from home and I put my cursor on the 1545Z position, advanced it to 2245Z and measure a heading of 290.7 degrees and a movement of 125nm. That's a forward speed of 17.9 kts.

I get a 3-hr movement toward 293 degrees and 49nm, or 16.3 kts. So it appears to be slowing down. So no evidence of NW motion, just WNW (between 281 deg and 304 deg). NW starts at 305 degrees.

Dolly does look like it's about to enter a period of rapid intensification. Cat 2 looking likely by landfall if the current trend continues, and Cat 3 could be easily attainable. We're going with 100 mph for now. May have to up that tomorrow. Might see an eye peek out by tomorrow night.

Do you think it is starting to slow down due to intensification?
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5725 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:25 pm

canetracker wrote:Do you think it is starting to slow down due to intensification?


No, intensification doesn't produce a slow-down. It's slowing down because steering currents aren't as strong. The weaker wind field aloft can help it to intensify, though.
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#5726 Postby Chacor » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:25 pm

What's up with that band of Dolly still east of the Yucatán?
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5727 Postby x-y-no » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:25 pm

randge wrote:I saw this a few pages back. Can someone define DMAX for an interested noob? I've been all over the Storm2K glossary and the internet looking for a definition.

Thanx in advance.


Diurnal maximum. Basically, because the upper troposphere cools radiatively at night while there's a strong resevoir of heat in the ocean surface, you get the strongest convection in the middle night/early morning.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5728 Postby canetracker » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:30 pm

wxman57 wrote:
canetracker wrote:Do you think it is starting to slow down due to intensification?


No, intensification doesn't produce a slow-down. It's slowing down because steering currents aren't as strong. The weaker wind field aloft can help it to intensify, though.


Thanks for the information. I always look forward to your posts.
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#5729 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:30 pm

Thanks Wxman57. Do you think that the Houston-Galveston area will only see rain and some gusty winds (with the current track that Dolly is on)?
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#5730 Postby Brent » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:31 pm

Chacor wrote:What's up with that band of Dolly still east of the Yucatán?


I have no clue. It's strange.
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#5731 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:32 pm

Brent wrote:
Chacor wrote:What's up with that band of Dolly still east of the Yucatán?


I have no clue. It's strange.



Dolly is a very large storm- extending 600+ miles on water vapor west-east,
and it is tapping into moisture from the Caribbean, and pulling it
in in order to increase in size/strength.
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#5732 Postby x-y-no » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:32 pm

Brent wrote:
Chacor wrote:What's up with that band of Dolly still east of the Yucatán?


I have no clue. It's strange.


Tons of heat and moisture in the NW Caribbean.
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#5733 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:33 pm

Its part of the huge inflow and circulation this system has. AFM said earlier that is tyhe inflow and that the western part of the inflow is over the Yucatan hence why this system has only just recently started to flare up and that will only increase with time.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#5734 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:34 pm

Tireman4 wrote:Thanks Wxman57. Do you think that the Houston-Galveston area will only see rain and some gusty winds (with the current track that Dolly is on)?


I've been watering my lawn today.
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#5735 Postby Cyclenall » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:34 pm

It appears that rapid convective increase we were waiting for today is starting to happen. Watch out and hold on to something, I smell RI tonight!
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#5736 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:34 pm

That inflow will bring a very large area of rain/moisture
to much of the central/western gulf, so Dolly
will likely have a HUGE rain shield, and the worst
winds will be located where the NHC says it will.
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#5737 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:36 pm

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Looking really good.
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#5738 Postby leaf blower » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:36 pm

1. Is it slowing down due to intensifying?
2. Is it intensifying due to slowing down?

I guess 2 but obviously there is lots of factors involved so carry on folks, i find this stuff absolutely amazing to watch and love learning about it.

Also be safe if your in the path obvously!
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#5739 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:38 pm

leaf blower wrote:1. Is it slowing down due to intensifying?
2. Is it intensifying due to slowing down?

I guess 2 but obviously there is lots of factors involved so carry on folks, i find this stuff absolutely amazing to watch and love learning about it.

Also be safe if your in the path obvously!



Intensifying due to slowing down.
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#5740 Postby KWT » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:40 pm

Hurakan, Dolly is indeed looking more and more impressive right now, convection is getting a foothold right over the center and convection is still improving on the western side and northern side. I think it will only be a matter of 3-6hrs before convection also starts to flare up on the eastern quadrants.
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