Tropical Storm Edouard recon discussion

[RL3AO]

Man, that sounds looooowwwww. Under 1,000 feet the whole time? Or is that the stupidest question ever.

The current recon flight has been at 200 meters (650 feet) for over two hours now.

[cycloneye]

Special Advisory soon? 1004 mbs

[pojo]

Man, that sounds looooowwwww. Under 1,000 feet the whole time? Or is that the stupidest question ever.

because we are trying to find the center so we can fix it, we need to be low since it is a LLC... the lower the better per the NHC

[RL3AO]

We have a TS. VDM coming soon.

[SouthFloridawx]

We have a TS. VDM coming soon.

I was wondering when we would get one...

[cycloneye]

Its bombing now?

52kt FL, 54kt SFMR, 1002.6mb extrapolated

[SouthFloridawx]

1002.6 mb
(~ 29.61 inHg)

Extrapolated
Surface Pressure 1003.4 mb
(~ 29.63 inHg) 1002.6 mb
(~ 29.61 inHg) 1002.7 mb
(~ 29.61 inHg) 1004.2 mb
(~ 29.65 inHg) 1005.2 mb
(~ 29.68 inHg) 1006.1 mb
(~ 29.71 inHg) 1006.5 mb
(~ 29.72 inHg) 1006.9 mb
(~ 29.73 inHg) 1007.4 mb
(~ 29.75 inHg) 1007.8 mb
(~ 29.76 inHg) 1007.9 mb
(~ 29.76 inHg) 1008.1 mb
(~ 29.77 inHg) 1008.4 mb
(~ 29.78 inHg) 1008.7 mb
(~ 29.79 inHg) 1009.0 mb
(~ 29.80 inHg) 1009.1 mb
(~ 29.80 inHg) 1009.4 mb
(~ 29.81 inHg) 1009.6 mb
(~ 29.81 inHg) 1009.7 mb
(~ 29.82 inHg) 1009.8 mb
(~ 29.82 inHg) Extrapolated
Surface Pressure

[SouthFloridawx]

Peak (10 sec. Avg.)
Flight Level Wind 16 knots
(~ 18.4 mph) 15 knots
(~ 17.2 mph) 23 knots
(~ 26.4 mph) 29 knots
(~ 33.3 mph) 29 knots
(~ 33.3 mph) 46 knots
(~ 52.9 mph) 50 knots
(~ 57.5 mph) 54 knots
(~ 62.1 mph) 49 knots
(~ 56.3 mph) 45 knots
(~ 51.7 mph) 47 knots
(~ 54.0 mph) 48 knots
(~ 55.2 mph) 46 knots
(~ 52.9 mph) 44 knots
(~ 50.6 mph) 47 knots
(~ 54.0 mph) 47 knots
(~ 54.0 mph) 43 knots
(~ 49.4 mph) 44 knots
(~ 50.6 mph) 44 knots
(~ 50.6 mph) 43 knots
(~ 49.4 mph) Peak (10 sec. Avg.)
Flight Level Wind

[KWT]

Should be enough to support a 45kts tropical storm, very impressive reports from recon though, pressure estimated at 1002.6 and winds supportive of 45kts at the surface, thats what you call rapid strengthening Humberto style!

[CrazyC83]

Awaiting the VDM, but I'd expect a special advisory soon for Tropical Storm Edouard with 45-50 kt winds.

[SouthFloridawx]

087
URNT12 KNHC 032121
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL052008
A. 03/21:04:10Z
B. 28 deg 06 min N
087 deg 57 min W
C. NA mb NA m
D. 20 kt
E. 297 deg 7 nm
F. 048 deg 025 kt
G. 299 deg 007 nm
H. EXTRAP 1002 mb
I. 22 C/ 280 m
J. 24 C/ 281 m
K. 21 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 12345/
O. 0.03 / NA nm
P. AF308 01BBA INVEST OB 08
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 53KT SE QUAD 2107Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 1500 FT.

[dizzyfish]

I checked the recon thread and that is the strangest recon flight pattern I think I have ever seen! Not meaning to make fun but it looks like a very odd butterfly.

I can hardly believe that I checked a while ago and it was TD5 and now we have E!

Just how long can recon stay out there? Or was there two flights and I just missed that part.

[Recurve]

Man, that sounds looooowwwww. Under 1,000 feet the whole time? Or is that the stupidest question ever.

because we are trying to find the center so we can fix it, we need to be low since it is a LLC... the lower the better per the NHC

Thanks for the answer. It's what I figured.

[RL3AO]

I checked the recon thread and that is the strangest recon flight pattern I think I have ever seen! Not meaning to make fun but it looks like a very odd butterfly.

I can hardly believe that I checked a while ago and it was TD5 and now we have E!

Just how long can recon stay out there? Or was there two flights and I just missed that part.

Thats called an alpha pattern. Its the standard flight path. This flight is scheduled to be in the storm until 8pm ET for a total of 7 hours.

[dizzyfish]

I checked the recon thread and that is the strangest recon flight pattern I think I have ever seen! Not meaning to make fun but it looks like a very odd butterfly.

I can hardly believe that I checked a while ago and it was TD5 and now we have E!

Just how long can recon stay out there? Or was there two flights and I just missed that part.

Thats called an alpha pattern. Its the standard flight path. This flight is scheduled to be in the storm until 8pm ET for a total of 7 hours.

Thank you. I guess the flight time makes sense because the base is so close to the storm.

I am aware of the alpha pattern I just don't remember seeing the pattern run over and over again during the same flight. Guess I wasn't paying enough attention at some point.

[RL3AO]

A lot of times they only have time for one alpha pattern because of fuel. Since it only took them an hour to get to the storm, they can do two or three.

[RL3AO]

Whats up with these dropsondes?

000
UZNT13 KNHC 032300
XXAA 53234 99289 70862 08186 99012 27256 15510 00106 26256 14012
92789 21657 15517 85520 18259 16522 70162 10463 13515 50587 07340
15018 40758 16526 15013 88999 77999
31313 09608 82242
61616 AF302 WXWXA 08080321302 OB 03
62626 SPL 2896N08619W 2251 MBL WND 14011 AEV 00000 DLM WND 14517
011408 WL150 14511 084 =
XXBB 53238 99289 70862 08186 00012 27256 11950 22228 22916 21256
33903 21262 44850 18259 55838 17459 66829 17667 77815 17473 88805
16862 99793 16462 11695 10063 22606 02058 33577 00945 44538 03957
55504 06931 66490 07963 77476 09157 88467 09962 99439 12136 11420
14131 22412 13130 33400 16525
21212 00012 15510 11951 13012 22931 15517 33850 16522 44765 13518
55687 14515 66592 12019 77528 13019 88504 15019 99450 13516 11429
15013 22412 13513 33400 15013
31313 09608 82242
61616 AF302 WXWXA 08080321302 OB 03
62626 SPL 2896N08619W 2251 MBL WND 14011 AEV 00000 DLM WND 14517
011408 WL150 14511 084 =

That says the drop was 42 minutes ago 28.9N 86.2W. Recon has never been at that location. The closest they got to there was five hours ago.

EDIT: That says AF302 and the current flight in Ed is AF308. Is there another plane out there?

[stevetampa33614]

Reposting to proper thread

That VORTEX message would indicate that the Flight Level Winds are coming down to the surface. Wait what. Am I reading that wrong.

[cycloneye]

WXWXA Dropsonde was in a Training mission.

[stevetampa33614]

hehe. New guy


Anyway, a Shell Oil station
Station 42364 - Ram-Powell - Viosca Knoll 936

Is reporting wind speeds of 25 kts. And its quite a ways from the CoC.