ATL: Tropical Depression Edouard

[Stormcenter]

if there is a question of having a closed circulation what are we seeing on radar?

What you are seeing is a mid-level circulation at 20,000 feet.

So where is the "center" east, west, north or south of the "mid-level" circulation?

Also if that is the case then why can't we see the "real" center on radar?

[Wx_Warrior]

Eddi has been slow all along...LOL

[Aric Dunn]

its closed.. thats for sure.. its as clear as a day. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/se/loop-ir2.html

just thats its been exposed ..

and there is no center reformation

it does seem to possibly pulling under that convection but its still fully exposed at this point

[Stratosphere747]

Well it "looks" like he may be slowing down and......well you judge for yourself.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?prod ... x&loop=yes

I "judged" and see no slower movement.

[RL3AO]

if there is a question of having a closed circulation what are we seeing on radar?

What you are seeing is a mid-level circulation at 20,000 feet.

So where is the "center" east, west, north or south of the "mid-level" circulation?

Could be any where, or right under it

Also if that is the case then why can't we see the "real" center on radar?

Since a radar beam is sent out at an upwards angle, the further away from the radar site it gets, the higher into the atmosphere it is looking.

[srainhoutx]

if there is a question of having a closed circulation what are we seeing on radar?

What you are seeing is a mid-level circulation at 20,000 feet.

So where is the "center" east, west, north or south of the "mid-level" circulation?

Also if that is the case then why can't we see the "real" center on radar?

Due to curviture of the earth and distance from Radar sight, you're seeing circulation above 10k -20k ft.

[Bailey1777]

thanks for the explanation, makes sense.

[fasterdisaster]

its closed.. thats for sure.. its as clear as a day. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/se/loop-ir2.html

just thats its been exposed ..

and there is no center reformation

it does seem to possibly pulling under that convection but its still fully exposed at this point

Good loop, as cheesywxguy said a while ago that actually does look like it's organizing and weakening at the same time. By morning that convection could be wrapped around which would be go time for Edouard.

[Aric Dunn]

that is the center on radar.. the problem is that we do not have enough convection around it to maintain a good center fix with just radar.. dont worry its in that general area..

[TTheriot1975]

OK...WX_Warrior...where is Greg?

[RL3AO]

URNT12 KNHC 040608
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 04/05:44:20Z
B. 28 deg 02 min N
089 deg 33 min W
C. 850 mb 1469 m
D. 37 kt
E. 078 deg 065 nm
F. 127 deg 034 kt
G. 079 deg 064 nm
H. 1006 mb
I. 15 C/ 1526 m
J. 17 C/ 1524 m
K. 16 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345 / 8
O. 0.02 / 2 nm
P. AF308 0205A EDOUARD OB 02
MAX FL WIND 34 KT NE QUAD 05:21:40 Z

[fasterdisaster]

1006 mb vortex.

Time of death...2:12 AM EDT

[stevetampa33614]

Thats from the center?

I just have to say it,


hahahahahahah
hahahahha
haha

[Texashawk]

1006 mb vortex.

Time of death...2:12 AM EDT

Eh... I still say it looks better than Dolly did at this stage of their lives...

[Aric Dunn]

seriously by no means is this dead .. very far from it...

[RL3AO]

Since everyone loves Derek so much, I'll re-post something from earlier.


"I was expecting the convection to totally disappear tonight, similar to what happened with 1999 Bret its first night and 1997 Danny, since conditions are only marginal

The fact that new convection is wrapping into the circulation is a sign that this is maintaining and may intensify quickly once the conditions become more favorable"

[Bailey1777]

It's just growing pains.

[stevetampa33614]

seriously by no means is this dead .. very far from it...

If the pressure has gone up and its weakened forget it. This is nothing to worry about and this storm has a date on its foot.

However, I dont think Recon was at the center. So im not writing any obituary yet.

[RL3AO]

Okay. Heres our new vector.

Last VDM was at 2246z.

Movement of 268 at 9.1 knots.

[Aric Dunn]

for once i actually agree with derek.. except convection has not completely and most likely will no die completely..

well it sort of did before the sum went down..