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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1921 Postby deltadog03 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:21 pm

Frank2 wrote:KWT,

DP's are in the 60s and low 70s across that region (not particularly high), so, as you said the dry air is helping to slow any strengthening, and, it's close proximity to land is also helping, so...



Td's of upper 60's to 70's are PLENTY of moisture to promote growth of thunderstorms....
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#1922 Postby Frank2 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:22 pm

It seems we have posters here who want to see Ed explode, and, others here who are trying to make some sense of the situation as per Ed's slow growth - please give us a chance to share our knowledge with you, since it'll help to stem any rumors...

Ed looks well-organized on satellite, but, as Derek mentioned, nothing yet per recon that is any higher than mentioned in the last NHC advisory...

It's close proximity to land is helping to slow it's development, but, we'll see what happens...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1923 Postby 'CaneFreak » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:22 pm

deltadog03 wrote:
Frank2 wrote:KWT,

DP's are in the 60s and low 70s across that region (not particularly high), so, as you said the dry air is helping to slow any strengthening, and, it's close proximity to land is also helping, so...



Td's of upper 60's to 70's are PLENTY of moisture to promote growth of thunderstorms....


Yes sir they are and the Frank2 commentary of dry air can now cease...
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#1924 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:22 pm

Shockwave wrote:
KWT wrote:Sanibel, the structure certainly is pretty impressive, in some ways it does remind me of Earl 1998 which didn't have very good convective coverage but a very good structure which allowed it to strengthen.

right now the dry air that has eaten into the core is also quite noteable still, like a chunk of the deep convection has been eaten into though there is convection in there firing up which may help to cover it up a little.


I've got to add something. Even with the dry air pushing in, Ed is still intensifying and the latest satelittle image looks VERY impressive I'm just thinking. If that dry air wasn't coming in...could we be easily looking at a Cat. 3 to possibly Cat. 4?

actually yes. If the center had been covered its entire life, it may have been nearing hurricane strength at this time, and I probably would have put it at 100mph. Of course this is not the case, and we will be looking at a minimal hurricane at most.
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#1925 Postby jinftl » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:24 pm

do we have confirmation the storm is intensifying? New update soon will give us the numbers.

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
KWT wrote:Sanibel, the structure certainly is pretty impressive, in some ways it does remind me of Earl 1998 which didn't have very good convective coverage but a very good structure which allowed it to strengthen.

right now the dry air that has eaten into the core is also quite noteable still, like a chunk of the deep convection has been eaten into though there is convection in there firing up which may help to cover it up a little.


I've got to add something. Even with the dry air pushing in, Ed is still intensifying and the latest satelittle image looks VERY impressive I'm just thinking. If that dry air wasn't coming in...could we be easily looking at a Cat. 3 to possibly Cat. 4?

actually yes. If the center had been covered its entire life, it may have been nearing hurricane strength at this time, and I probably would have put it at 100mph. Of course this is not the case, and we will be looking at a minimal hurricane at most.
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#1926 Postby Frank2 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:25 pm

KWT,

LOL - here in South Florida, DP's in the 60's would be considered DRY for this time of year, so, I guess it all depends on who's doing the posting...

At times, our DP gets near 80, so...

Frank
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1927 Postby Sanibel » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:25 pm

Sanibel, you're posts are usually like something from The Far Side.




Opinions about people's posts are off-topic as explained many times by the moderators in here. I'd be happy to discuss any of the information I gave though.
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#1928 Postby Steve » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:26 pm

>>It seems we have posters here who want to see Ed explode, and, others here who are trying to make some sense of the situation as per Ed's slow growth - please give us a chance to share our knowledge with you, since it'll help to stem any rumors...

Come on Frank. Seriously. Of all the people on the site to suggest that anyone has an agenda...

I don't so much think anyone wants it to "explode" which isn't really in the cards anyway. Upper limit is likely no greater than barely a Cat 1. That's not like someone -removed- for a 5 to come out of this. The real deal is that there are numerous posters in the potential path of Edouard that are interested in what it does because if it's more than they bargained for or anticipated, they need to use their own best judgment and advice of their local NWS/NOAA office in what they have to do. You're not going to bring in all the plants for some 20-25mph gusts, but if you're looking at something 40 or higher, its' another story. Same thing if you're talking about the differnce between 2 and 5 inches of rain. There is a big difference and there isn't a lot of time. JMO of course.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1929 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:27 pm

deltadog03 wrote:
Frank2 wrote:KWT,

DP's are in the 60s and low 70s across that region (not particularly high), so, as you said the dry air is helping to slow any strengthening, and, it's close proximity to land is also helping, so...



Td's of upper 60's to 70's are PLENTY of moisture to promote growth of thunderstorms....


Its not surface moisture that so much of an issue but its thje mid level dryness that is stunting the convection somewhat though its not totally stopping convection clearly as its still flaring up, just that its preventing it from blowing a CDO.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1930 Postby americanrebel » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:30 pm

Well they are evacuating Forked Island, Pecan Island in Vermillion Parish, and Governor Bobby Jindhal has issued a state of emergency for Port Lafourche Parish, Vermillion Parish and Cameron Parish. Bobby is not taking any chances with this thing because the experts have told him that it could explode and to be prepared for the worse.

So not everyone is thinking this will be a strong TS or minimum Cat. 1, this might actually make it up to a Cat. 2.
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#1931 Postby deltadog03 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:30 pm

Its the midlevels that are a bit dry...your NOT going to see a 70 degree dewpoint at 10k feet. ie 700mb
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1932 Postby serenata09 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:30 pm

I'm just looking forward to some beneficial cloud cover and RAIN! It's been waayyy too hot here in the Austin metro area these past few days.
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#1933 Postby jinftl » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:30 pm

This board is valuable and great but don't forget to take a step back sometimes as well....what watches or warnings are in place for your area, what are local officials recommending, etc.

If you are not in a hurricane warning that should give some comfort....doesn't mean not to be prepared for that, but gives some perspective.


Steve wrote:>>It seems we have posters here who want to see Ed explode, and, others here who are trying to make some sense of the situation as per Ed's slow growth - please give us a chance to share our knowledge with you, since it'll help to stem any rumors...

Come on Frank. Seriously. Of all the people on the site to suggest that anyone has an agenda...

I don't so much think anyone wants it to "explode" which isn't really in the cards anyway. Upper limit is likely no greater than barely a Cat 1. That's not like someone -removed- for a 5 to come out of this. The real deal is that there are numerous posters in the potential path of Edouard that are interested in what it does because if it's more than they bargained for or anticipated, they need to use their own best judgment and advice of their local NWS/NOAA office in what they have to do. You're not going to bring in all the plants for some 20-25mph gusts, but if you're looking at something 40 or higher, its' another story. Same thing if you're talking about the differnce between 2 and 5 inches of rain. There is a big difference and there isn't a lot of time. JMO of course.

Steve
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#1934 Postby 93superstorm » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:31 pm

Just posting maps. If this took slight of a southern route it would go right over or tip of the eddy:

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1935 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:33 pm

I don't mind admitting I was wrong if it doesn't pan out but I still say Eddie has a decent shot of being a hurricane before landfall.

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satelli ... uration=12
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#1936 Postby bayoubebe » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:33 pm

Frank2 wrote:It seems we have posters here who want to see Ed explode, and, others here who are trying to make some sense of the situation as per Ed's slow growth - please give us a chance to share our knowledge with you, since it'll help to stem any rumors...

Ed looks well-organized on satellite, but, as Derek mentioned, nothing yet per recon that is any higher than mentioned in the last NHC advisory...

It's close proximity to land is helping to slow it's development, but, we'll see what happens...


When you say " give us a chance to share "OUR" knowledge here," I"m curious, are you a pro met?
I don't post much, I do read here, most especially when there is a tropical storm out there. I tend to take the pro mets posts the most serious. I like coming here for information about the tropical conditions.
If you don't mind, can you clarify the OUR in your above post, and if you have some sort of profession in the weather field.

Thank you.
Thank you to all the pros out there providing information.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1937 Postby oyster_reef » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:34 pm

Looking at the recent IR it looks like he's losing his cold tops.
Sucking in dry air.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1938 Postby Shockwave » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:34 pm

4 o'clock is the next update right? If the satelittle does any justoce to what the update will be, what could we expect? 60-65 sustained winds?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1939 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:35 pm

Shockwave wrote:4 o'clock is the next update right? If the satelittle does any justoce to what the update will be, what could we expect? 60-65 sustained winds?


No reason to expect the advisory to be more than 45 mph unless this recon pass in the next 20 minutes shows otherwise.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#1940 Postby terrapintransit » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:36 pm

Ol' Eddy is really starting to get a good spin on.....You just may be right..
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