Abundance of fruits meaning a sign of an approaching cane?

[Gustywind]

That's one I've never heard, even after living in South Florida for most of my life - it might just mean a good growing season, so that's actually a good thing (a/k/a "An abundant harvest...")...

I've seen many very healthy mango and avacado growing seasons - that were during El Nino periods - so, I'd have to say no to your question...

P.S. About 10 years ago we were very concerned when it was mentioned that sea turtles were found to be nesting very high in the dunes, allowing some to think what you're mentioning, but, thankfully nothing else happened...

P.P.S. Actually, I've heard that good growing seasons are often followed by early winters, so...

Ok tkanks Frank2, i spoke about fruits, but we have always others signs as you clearly mentionned it glad to know that (the turtles).

[BatzVI]

LOL....not like we have "early winter" here.....

[Gustywind]

Here in Puerto Rico,the older people talk about it as this comes from centuries ago.I personnally dont pay much attention to the Mangos or Aguacates,but when the people talk about lack of those fruits,it means no hurricane strike and if theres are abundant of Mangos and Aguacates,then we will be hit.

And Cycloneye what is the trend for this year? Are they talking about a lack of fruit or fruits in excess or neither?

[cycloneye]

Here in Puerto Rico,the older people talk about it as this comes from centuries ago.I personnally dont pay much attention to the Mangos or Aguacates,but when the people talk about lack of those fruits,it means no hurricane strike and if theres are abundant of Mangos and Aguacates,then we will be hit.

And Cycloneye what is the trend for this year? Are they talking about a lack of fruit or fruits in excess or neither?

What I see is that there are plenty of Mangos and Aguacates in the trees,and that means we would be hit.But lets see in reallty what occurs in the next 4 months,especially in the peak weeks.

[Gustywind]

Here in Puerto Rico,the older people talk about it as this comes from centuries ago.I personnally dont pay much attention to the Mangos or Aguacates,but when the people talk about lack of those fruits,it means no hurricane strike and if theres are abundant of Mangos and Aguacates,then we will be hit.

And Cycloneye what is the trend for this year? Are they talking about a lack of fruit or fruits in excess or neither?

What I see is that there are plenty of Mangos and Aguacates in the trees,and that means we would be hit.But lets see in reallty what occurs in the next 4 months,especially in the peak weeks.

waouw, i'm amazed by your answer, seems that it's the same in Guadeloupe too, mangos and Aguacates ( i learnt a word avacados = aguacates dicen en frances avocats or in creole:zabocat lol ).
I'm a little curious i have no info from the letchees at St Claude and in Guadeloupe, that could be a sort of "good probobality" if we have had letchees this year, i never saw them this year in the supermarket, but only HUC can provide me this info . Hope he ill read the thread and the others replies, but i'm confident it should be a nice subject for him giving us some nice and pertinent answers as usual
Yeah let's see what really happens during the next couple of weeks Cycloneye , should that not verifies too (in terms of damages ! !

[abajan]

Here in Puerto Rico,the older people talk about it as this comes from centuries ago.I personnally dont pay much attention to the Mangos or Aguacates,but when the people talk about lack of those fruits,it means no hurricane strike and if theres are abundant of Mangos and Aguacates,then we will be hit.

Initially I was wondering if Aguacates were some sort of exotic fruit found in Puerto Rico, only to discover after Googling the word that they're just Avocados! In Barbados we call both avacados and pears pears, further complicating matters.

I've heard of this link between an abundance of fruit and hurricanes before and I've witnessed the correlation firsthand. In 2005 my mango tree went into overdrive early in the hurricane season (and we all know how active that year eventually turned out.) There's almost always a germ of truth in these old sayings.

[Gustywind]

Here in Puerto Rico,the older people talk about it as this comes from centuries ago.I personnally dont pay much attention to the Mangos or Aguacates,but when the people talk about lack of those fruits,it means no hurricane strike and if theres are abundant of Mangos and Aguacates,then we will be hit.

Initially I was wondering if Aguacates were some sort of exotic fruit found in Puerto Rico, only to discover after Googling the word that they're just Avocados! In Barbados we call both avacados and pears pears, further complicating matters.

I've heard of this link between an abundance of fruit and hurricanes before and I've witnessed the correlation firsthand. In 2005 my mango tree went into overdrive early in the hurricane season (and we all know how active that year eventually turned out.) There's almost always a germ of truth in these old sayings.

Interresting Abajan, glad to see that , amazed for 2005, i learnt a lot today, i'm not deceived and what is the situation in Barbados for this year, mangos and fruits are lacking or are in excess?, tell me if it is the case in your house, or in the whole island? Tkanks i will happy and very curious to know that ...

[baygirl_1]

We usually look to see how the ants are behaving. The year of Katrina, the ants were terrible! I couldn't get rid of them. They kept building their mounds near our side door and we kept finding them in the house, as well! I was not happy and, of course, then Katrina came a-knocking. This year, so far, the ants are not so bad. However, our lemon and tangerine trees have a lot of fruit on them this year. So, we'll see what the rest of the season has for us.

[Gustywind]

Tkanks, interresting too, i've noticied numerous signs today before Katrina landfall, that's fairly fascinating, hope the others boarders will give us much more. Seems that abundance fruits is somewhat pretty credible in short term given some replies and during some past seasons....time will tell as we're entering the heart of the season, tropics are heating up slighltly .

[abajan]

...I've heard of this link between an abundance of fruit and hurricanes before and I've witnessed the correlation firsthand. In 2005 my mango tree went into overdrive early in the hurricane season (and we all know how active that year eventually turned out.) There's almost always a germ of truth in these old sayings.

Interresting Abajan, glad to see that , amazed for 2005, i learnt a lot today, i'm not deceived and what is the situation in Barbados for this year, mangos and fruits are lacking or are in excess?, tell me if it is the case in your house, or in the whole island? Tkanks i will happy and very curious to know that ...

Well, that mango tree of mine was cut back to about a third of its original size because it was becoming a danger to the house. So, it's kind of hard to gauge how prolific it has been this year when compared to others.

I don't think fruit trees island wide have been bearing unusually this year but I haven't done any real survey and I may be wrong on that count.

[SapphireSea]

I would think that it all would have to be a consequence of the pattern. When we got Andrew in S. FL I remember my grapefruit tree was pretty bare, and the tangerine tree was lackluster. I guess because we were in a decent easterly wind regime that favors precipitation in the W coast during the afternoon they weren't watered enough.

I guess in the islands where it doesn't matter whether or not the wind is from the W or E, it's a matter of how much moisture is in the air, perhaps the lack of perturbation from winds (possible lack of ULLs or TUTTs) that are favorable for fruit development, and in consequence are favorable for a hurricane strike as well.

I haven't been looking at Synoptics very long, and I've only looked into it since 04, but I notice that everything in a synoptic scale does not change as rapidly as people think. Therefore it's plausible that an unfavorable setup for your plants or bird life can be unfavorable for a hurricane strike, and vice-versa, as well as an unfavorable condition for the trees and birds could be favorable for a strike. I believe it's all a matter of WHERE you are and how your micro-environment functions. I would take your normal weather routine, see how it normally functions, then blow it up to see what synoptic-scale setups create it, and try to make an educated guess on a plausible reverse situation might cause, and then hypothesize how a hurricane would track in each situation, perhaps you can link some patterns to logical explanations.

[Gustywind]

...I've heard of this link between an abundance of fruit and hurricanes before and I've witnessed the correlation firsthand. In 2005 my mango tree went into overdrive early in the hurricane season (and we all know how active that year eventually turned out.) There's almost always a germ of truth in these old sayings.

Interresting Abajan, glad to see that , amazed for 2005, i learnt a lot today, i'm not deceived and what is the situation in Barbados for this year, mangos and fruits are lacking or are in excess?, tell me if it is the case in your house, or in the whole island? Tkanks i will happy and very curious to know that ...

Well, that mango tree of mine was cut back to about a third of its original size because it was becoming a danger to the house. So, it's kind of hard to gauge how prolific it has been this year when compared to others.

I don't think fruit trees island wide have been bearing unusually this year but I haven't done any real survey and I may be wrong on that count.

Ok tkanks, i understand for the cut of your mango's tree, you cannot have a good idea that's highly credible, ok for your island if you don not have a good survey on it, well it seems that for Cycloneye it is in excess, and Guadeloupe too, i have slighlty more than the others seasons, but not as higher than 1998 and 1999 for example recently, but concerning the famous letchees i have no info from the others of Guadeloupe HUC especially, and i do not see many letchees in the supermarket, it's something to dig. Time will tell, but apparently not the real excess of the past years, but in an nutshell hope we will be blessed this year so far....

[Gustywind]

I would think that it all would have to be a consequence of the pattern. When we got Andrew in S. FL I remember my grapefruit tree was pretty bare, and the tangerine tree was lackluster. I guess because we were in a decent easterly wind regime that favors precipitation in the W coast during the afternoon they weren't watered enough.

I guess in the islands where it doesn't matter whether or not the wind is from the W or E, it's a matter of how much moisture is in the air, perhaps the lack of perturbation from winds (possible lack of ULLs or TUTTs) that are favorable for fruit development, and in consequence are favorable for a hurricane strike as well.

I haven't been looking at Synoptics very long, and I've only looked into it since 04, but I notice that everything in a synoptic scale does not change as rapidly as people think. Therefore it's plausible that an unfavorable setup for your plants or bird life can be unfavorable for a hurricane strike, and vice-versa, as well as an unfavorable condition for the trees and birds could be favorable for a strike. I believe it's all a matter of WHERE you are and how your micro-environment functions. I would take your normal weather routine, see how it normally functions, then blow it up to see what synoptic-scale setups create it, and try to make an educated guess on a plausible reverse situation might cause, and then hypothesize how a hurricane would track in each situation, perhaps you can link some patterns to logical explanations.

Waouw how strutured is you answer it could be another thread much more organized with scientifics sources and answers. Honestly i'm glad to see your pertinent reasoning , you push your self that's great. I'm limited on this, i was trying first to take some answers, but yours is definitely amazing. I strongly believe that there a lot of micro-environment functions, after that i can't answer you, the tropics are so different from the US, and each island is different from each island too, a remarquable futur subject that you have opened i tkink ...congratulations, i should say BINGO

[Gustywind]

Hi Gusty...here in St. Thomas on the northside, the French community says, "no avocados, no hurricanes"....we have plenty of them (avocados)....also, looking back, Montserrat volcano erupted in July of 1995, and not long after we were hit with Marilyn....well, as you know, it erupted again in July of this year, so I'm hoping it's just a coincidence....I also watch the birds and the iguanas...if they go on a "feeding frenzy", then disappear, you kind of know something is up....but as always, we prepare for the worst and hope for the best....it's just a way of life!

Waouw nice reply, very very interresting good eye tkanks a lot for all these info, congratulations i'm glad .
If this can help everbody to prepare or have a better idea if something can hit us, that's " a good thing" or appreciable afterwards.

Yep, very good post i learnt something concerning Monsterrat and Marylin in 1995 very curious coincidence, i'm a little dubtfull, for my part usually i don't believe in any coincidence, nothings occurs like that, but time will tell especially this year because you're speaking about it 13 years laters in July Monsterrat was in eruption (Volcano)and Marylin hit you!!!waouw!!!amazing, time will tell:oops:.



Your observations are fairly fascinating "the birds and the iguanas" that's great. I did not know for the iguanas.....
I knew that in 1989 for HUGO some birds were on church in LE MOULE ( east of Guadeloupe) and a type of indicated something terrible they were on the Holy Cross near 4 pm and HUGO passed at 6pm approximately. They call this type of birds in french "MALFINI" meaning that something will turn dramatically.

Whereas in my observations, i knew that HUGO passed during the full moon, in Guadeloupe the 16th of September, and sometimes the ancients were anticipated something special during the full moon, but pretty difficult to affirm that, because others canes have not crossed the island whithout being during the full moon, so that's not too much credible sometimes. But as usual, watch watch all that you can it could be a sign... hope for the best scenario not the worst, and if it's the worst... keep the faith

You see that yesterday, i was talking about the moon, curiously once again strange coincidence i found another correspondant surfing on stormcarib.com from Grenada talking about the moon. Here is the text:
http://stormcarib.com/reports/current/grenada.shtml
Hi all..
Today in the south the day started of with sun briefly interrupted by few passing clouds, and very humid. We had two brief showers during the course of the morning. By midday the clouds were building and the heat was intensifying. Just after midday the first thunderstorm came rolling through bringing some moderate rain and moderately gusty winds. About an hour and a half later came the bi g thunderstorm with quite a few lightening and some distant rumbles of thunder. Then the wind picked up (sustained about 15 and gusting close to 30 mph) about two minutes before the heavy thundershower came rolling in from the south-southeast. It rained heavily for about 10 minutes then it subsided. Since then we just been socked in under the clouds and the humidity is quite oppressive even as I type. I'm working up a sweat and I'm as calm as can be.

Be aware of the Atlantic people.
We're getting into the heart of the season and ontop of that the new moon cycle has started.
As sentimental as this might be, I do believe that the moon has a major role to play in the organization of tropical systems, or any other weather phenomenon for that matter.
Stay safe
Peace.
I was talking about it and i have partially an answer on it, pretty subjective but sufficiently interresting given the thread , waouw the spirits are connecting sometimes . If you have in the past, feeling the influence of the moon during some canes tell me that, i would be glad to learn that!

[Javlin]

In Mississippi none of our orange trees have bared fruit since Katrina.
I planted them 4 years before Katrina and had fruit each year
until Katrina ripped off every fruit and leaf they had. They
are growing well and look great... just no fruit.

Thk You and I was beginning to think it was I had done.

[wxman57]

For some reason, when I saw this thread title what came to mind was all the reporters on the beach at Galveston and Kemah ahead of Edouard trying to pretend they were covering an important event. (by fruits I mean fruitcakes, not the other meaning).

[Frank2]

LOL - well, as the saying goes, "If the shoe fits..."

You might have been correct the first time - some of them are pretty goofy, for sure...

[LSU2001]

I grew up in southern Mississippi and the old timers always said that if the pecan crop was heavy, then we would probably get a storm. Don't know if that is the same idea but there did seem to be a slight correlation. I agree that the conditions that provide a set up for a bumper crop of some fruits and nuts could be the same conditions or patterns that set up an active tropical season.
JMHO<
TIm

[Mecklenburg]

probably just natural fertilizer

[Gustywind]

I grew up in southern Mississippi and the old timers always said that if the pecan crop was heavy, then we would probably get a storm. Don't know if that is the same idea but there did seem to be a slight correlation. I agree that the conditions that provide a set up for a bumper crop of some fruits and nuts could be the same conditions or patterns that set up an active tropical season.
JMHO<
TIm

Good, interresting point, i learnt something about the pecan crop, and how are the pecan for the moment this year, did you observe them a little bit , for example? And have you got fruits in excess in your area or not, or are the lacking?
I will be glad to have the synopsis in your area, tkanks a lot, Gustywind.