Canadian bus travel horror

[Meso]

Punishing innocent people for someone else's acts is the dumbest and most childish thing one could ever do.I think mankind thankfully has evolved a bit more past those kinds of things (Or at least in general).All talk until one of your family members commits a crime, then it's time to say how wrong that idea is.An eye for an eye, not an eye for the eye of an innocent person.No one can control others actions... But yet again it seems to be the same people who have the idea that killing people is the solution to everything, seen ideas that far out-weight what this guy did in terms of vile action.

[tropicana]

You can't go out and let a form of punishment be killing another family member. Thats not acceptable in any society, and certainly not in Canada. Thats like saying a shark kills a person, and you go out and kill another shark... or if a dog bites a person, you go out and find a smiliar dog (that didnt actually bite anyone) and you kill it.
If you have 30 kids in a classroom, and all but one fail all their classes and do not get promoted, you can't punish all the others by not promoting them. They aren't responsible. People have to take responsibility for their own actions, its not someone else's fault.

Killing is not the answer, the loss of one in this kind of manner that occurred on that bus was tragic enough.
It is important not to think or act out irrational solutions during emotional times.

[gtalum]

maybe deterrence.

Also, if one had knowledge of an upcoming act, they would have additional incentive to stop the act by reporting the person to the authorities, instead of covering for them

We are a civilized society. We punish the guilty, not the innocent. if someone knows something about a crime and doesn't go to authorities with it, we already have ways of dealing with that. That's aiding and abetting and carries its own penalties.

Israel does punish the families Palestinian bombers as you note, but it doesn't seem to have solved any problems for them. It just exacerbates the problems and incites the Palestinians to attack even more fervently than before.

[Ed Mahmoud]

The security fence has done wonders on cutting the rate of suicide bombers.


The family home demolition is controversial, but Saddam Hussein and others usually sent money to the families of suicide bombers, and the bombers themselves were convinced they were going to the celestial whorehouse with 72 willing virgins, so retribution on the family was the only thing that might offer deterrence.


Anyway, in 1948, when the UN partioned the British mandate of Palestine (named Palestine by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple and the forced diaspora of the Jews, and from the same root as 'Philistine'), into an Arab Palestine and a Jewish Israel, the Jews happily accepted, the Arabs rejected it, and immediately all the Arab nations declared war on Israel.

When Bill Clinton held his last Camp David summit seeking a peace deal, Israel offered 98% of the occupied territories, pretty much everything Arafat ever wanted, and Arafat refused.

BTW, the "occupied territories" were captured from Egypt and Jordan during a defensive war, Israel was invaded and kicked butt. I don't see the world demanding Russia gives the Kurile Islands back to Japan, for example.

Israel gave back the Sinai already, and has offered to return the Gaza Strip, but the Egyptians don't want Gaza back.


Back on topic, there is no way the family of a complete whackjob nut like Mr. Li can be held responsible for what he did. Li may have acted criminally, but he sounds like a paranoid and delusional schizophrenic, and probably belongs in a mental ward the rest of his life.

[gtalum]

The security fence has done wonders on cutting the rate of suicide bombers.

Good point about the fence. That's a far cry from punishing families of criminals.

I'm just as glad not to live in a prison camp, though.

[Ptarmigan]

The security fence has done wonders on cutting the rate of suicide bombers.


The family home demolition is controversial, but Saddam Hussein and others usually sent money to the families of suicide bombers, and the bombers themselves were convinced they were going to the celestial whorehouse with 72 willing virgins, so retribution on the family was the only thing that might offer deterrence.


Anyway, in 1948, when the UN partioned the British mandate of Palestine (named Palestine by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple and the forced diaspora of the Jews, and from the same root as 'Philistine'), into an Arab Palestine and a Jewish Israel, the Jews happily accepted, the Arabs rejected it, and immediately all the Arab nations declared war on Israel.

When Bill Clinton held his last Camp David summit seeking a peace deal, Israel offered 98% of the occupied territories, pretty much everything Arafat ever wanted, and Arafat refused.

BTW, the "occupied territories" were captured from Egypt and Jordan during a defensive war, Israel was invaded and kicked butt. I don't see the world demanding Russia gives the Kurile Islands back to Japan, for example.

Israel gave back the Sinai already, and has offered to return the Gaza Strip, but the Egyptians don't want Gaza back.


Back on topic, there is no way the family of a complete whackjob nut like Mr. Li can be held responsible for what he did. Li may have acted criminally, but he sounds like a paranoid and delusional schizophrenic, and probably belongs in a mental ward the rest of his life.

I wonder if he could hacked his own family too?

[Jason_B]

maybe punish one of the killer's loved ones

That was a joke, right? Because his relatives had nothing to do with this why should they be punished? That's crazy.

No, I am not joking

It is what Israel does. If someone sets off a bomb somewhere, their family pays severely for it (often, their home is bulldozed at a minimum)

No offense but I'm stunned that somebody can have that kind of mindset. Killing people who had nothing to do with the crime....wow.

[Stephanie]

That was a joke, right? Because his relatives had nothing to do with this why should they be punished? That's crazy.

No, I am not joking

It is what Israel does. If someone sets off a bomb somewhere, their family pays severely for it (often, their home is bulldozed at a minimum)

No offense but I'm stunned that somebody can have that kind of mindset. Killing people who had nothing to do with the crime....wow.

This is America and Thank God for that.