ATL: Tropical Depression Fay
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
The following post is NOT an official prognosis.
Based on my latest analysis, it is difficult to believe the center will only cross the extreme northern portion of Hispaniola. Trends are critical. Currently, radar indicates the LLC is centered directly west of NW Puerto Rico over the Mona Passage, and it is moving north of due west. However, look at the mid level circulation to the southwest near Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. Overland friction appears to be affecting the pressure gradient, resulting in a broader low level rotation. This may prevent the system from organizing more significantly over the "main" LLC. In addition, satellite imagery indicates convection is minimal on the northern side of 92L (just N of the LLC), possibly because of inflow disruption (due to Puerto Rico on the east side). In other words, without significant convection on the north side, we won't observe substantive organization and deepening beyond a TD prior to landfall on the Dominican Republic. As a result, the system is also following the east to west steering within the lower levels via the low level trade winds.
The GFS is latching on to trends and a track over the heart of Hispaniola is reasonable.
In the long term, I'm continuing to stick to my original skepticism in regards to a major hurricane; I didn't believe it was plausible, and I'll stick to it.
Based on my latest analysis, it is difficult to believe the center will only cross the extreme northern portion of Hispaniola. Trends are critical. Currently, radar indicates the LLC is centered directly west of NW Puerto Rico over the Mona Passage, and it is moving north of due west. However, look at the mid level circulation to the southwest near Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. Overland friction appears to be affecting the pressure gradient, resulting in a broader low level rotation. This may prevent the system from organizing more significantly over the "main" LLC. In addition, satellite imagery indicates convection is minimal on the northern side of 92L (just N of the LLC), possibly because of inflow disruption (due to Puerto Rico on the east side). In other words, without significant convection on the north side, we won't observe substantive organization and deepening beyond a TD prior to landfall on the Dominican Republic. As a result, the system is also following the east to west steering within the lower levels via the low level trade winds.
The GFS is latching on to trends and a track over the heart of Hispaniola is reasonable.
In the long term, I'm continuing to stick to my original skepticism in regards to a major hurricane; I didn't believe it was plausible, and I'll stick to it.
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Dean4Storms wrote:Does appear that a LLC is near 18.2N 68.2W moving West
than perhaps we would have to watch for this thing to go just south of DR and then shoot the gap between Cuba and W. haiti
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
We're going to potentially witness many reports of flooding deaths emanating from Hispaniola in some locations, sadly...
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
Looking at the vorticity map, you would think any center would be north of puerto rico. I am just wondering why that is not the case.



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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
MiamiensisWx wrote:We're going to potentially witness many reports of flooding deaths emanating from Hispaniola in some locations, sadly...
Absolutely. Not everything is good news.
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HurricaneHunter914 wrote:So was I right yesterday? Is 92L now just another "next"?
I would not quite go to the extreme of saying "next"; however 92L's excursion over Hispanola would certainly lessen the threat and doom and gloom that has been reflected for us in South Florida over the past 100 or so pages of the thread.
Another of the long list of systems that does not do what it is supposed to.
A reminder that no one tells these things what to do besides Mother Nature and she does not have a blog to tell us what she is planning!
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
anyone notice some turning S of central puerto rican coast LOL.....but seriously
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This is a reminder to all that one should NEVER forecast a major hurricane without VERY STRONG SIGNALS for it (ala Andrew, Katrina, etc.).
NEVER forecast one without OVERWHELMING evidence... never!!!
Don't panic because of the (very inaccurate) GFDL/HWRF intensity forecasts in the medium to long ranges!
NEVER forecast one without OVERWHELMING evidence... never!!!
Don't panic because of the (very inaccurate) GFDL/HWRF intensity forecasts in the medium to long ranges!
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
The 24 hour TAFB surface low prediction:
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TAFB link:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/atl ... BW_sm3.gif
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TAFB link:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/atl ... BW_sm3.gif
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MiamiensisWx wrote:This is a reminder to all that one should NEVER forecast a major hurricane without VERY STRONG SIGNALS for it (ala Andrew, Katrina, etc.).
NEVER forecast one without OVERWHELMING evidence... never!!!
Don't panic because of the (very inaccurate) GFDL/HWRF intensity forecasts in the medium to long ranges!
A weak system tracking over Hispaniola with marginal support (if you rightfully discard GFDL/HWRF) for major hurricane status in the medium/long range (unlike Andrew/Katrina) is NOT overwhelming evidence...
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MiamiensisWx wrote:This is a reminder to all that one should NEVER forecast a major hurricane without VERY STRONG SIGNALS for it (ala Andrew, Katrina, etc.).
NEVER forecast one without OVERWHELMING evidence... never!!!
Don't panic because of the (very inaccurate) GFDL/HWRF intensity forecasts in the medium to long ranges!
In this case, then the same also applies for everyone predicting a depression. Better, a LLC!!! Everyone has been wrong in one point or the other with 92L. A major hurricane was possible if it had develop yesterday and had remained in a more northern track.
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
Blown_away wrote:The 24 hour TAFB surface low prediction:
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TAFB link:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/atl ... BW_sm3.gif
That would be skimming the north coast then...
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
I don't know... Gonna have to wait till it exits DR/Haiti. Throw out all the models till then.


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CalmBeforeStorm wrote:We don't really know if or where a center is but the overall system is moving rapidly west, maybe south of west, along the SOUTH coats of the DR.
The NHC says otherwise.
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
No thoughts on this Vorticity map?
poof121 wrote:Looking at the vorticity map, you would think any center would be north of puerto rico. I am just wondering why that is not the case.
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
Center looks to be on the ne coast of DR moving slightly north of west , Interaction with the big island is going to be key to how strong this can get.
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Re: ATL: Invest 92L in Western Atlantic
I do see the low level circulation fairly clearly to the NE of the tip of the Domincan Republic. It is moving westward. It looks like it is skirting the north coast over the next few hours. If it doesn't move WNW, it will eventually move inland late this afternoon in central Hispaniola. The system MAY just survive if the main area of circulation stays offshore. That will only happen if it starts moving WNW NOW. Only then, will I see the GFDL/HWRF forecast come to fruition.
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