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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4701 Postby meteorologyman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:35 pm

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"Again, Now I'm not saying it's going to happen" but with the low over Yucatan Peninsula if it edges furthe East This storm could follow what Charlie d

It won't move east... that weak TUTT is moving west (retrograding) under the upper level ridging.

Please focus on the big picture... since we may be dealing with a serious hurricane down the line, residents will rely on this site more than ever for information. This is just my friendly advice...


Thank you for your input, i'm just stating something similar to what Jim Cantore said on The Weather Channel, and stated that every one in South Carolina south and the Gulf needs to watch the storm
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4702 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:35 pm

Tops starting to warm slightly... Fay starting to feel the affects of land. Still holding together well. I think the movement is actually WNW, but the bursting convection pattern makes it almost impossible to say for sure. My gut now telling me more time over land, a little right of the NHC track for the next 24 hours. I think the cluster to the SW is going to fade.
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#4703 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:36 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
Vortex wrote:nam not on there...be;ow hot off the press

00Z NAM-east of florida and excellent initialization. GFS should prove interesting to determine any trends


http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml


the NAM is utterly worthless


Thank you Derek...that is what I thought but I figured I would check with a pro...

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#4704 Postby gatorcane » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:36 pm



eastern tip of Cuba so far
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4705 Postby stormchazer » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:37 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
meteorologyman wrote:The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

"Again, Now I'm not saying it's going to happen" but with the low over Yucatan Peninsula if it edges furthe East This storm could follow what Charlie d

It won't move east... that weak TUTT is moving west (retrograding) under the upper level ridging.

Please focus on the big picture... since we may be dealing with a serious hurricane down the line, residents will rely on this site more than ever for information. This is just my friendly advice...


Meteorologyman was making a reasonable observation and I think he appreciates it as potential serious hurricane. There are other opinions here that can be just as valid. Regardless, I appreciate both your views and lets suffice to say, the evolution of the environment is not set and plenty of changes are likely in store.
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#4706 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:39 pm

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4707 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:40 pm

It looks to be moving west / south west. I said that last night and had to endure some ridicule and guess where Fay ended up. :) I still don't think the models have a handle on this thing. Yea, I can only see the MLC but the cloud blob is moving / drifting / shrinking southwest.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4708 Postby jaxfladude » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:40 pm

Local mets here say still need to watch Fay just in case of a change in the forecast track, how bad/or how little the impact WILL DEPEND ON THE EXACT PATH FAY ULTIMATELY TAKES!!!!
Speaking to the choir, I know....
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#4709 Postby fci » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:40 pm

gatorcane wrote:
fci wrote:
Evil Jeremy wrote:What is the chance of a direct/indirect threat in SFL at this point?



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OK, I am answering based on what I have recalled in the past.

I think that this storm will get further West than expected and due to this Fay will pass about 100 miles West of Key West.
The landfall will be in the Panhandle area (Destin or Panama City) and I would not be shocked to see it further west even as far as Alabama/Missisippi.

The effect on Southeast Florida, where you and I live; will be minimal with a little bit of a gusty wind.

We caught a big break when Fay waited so long to develop and ended up going so far west
Had she developed north of Puerto Rico or just barely skimmed the coast of DR; we would be very worried right now with all the warm water ahead of the storm

If Fay were to turn earlier and go across the mountainous part of Cuba, she would be greatly weakened and woudl limp towards us.

We caught a break here.......again.

Just my opinion based on years of following storms.


FCI its a bit too early to say this. If you look back at climatology SE Florida is the target more than the Western GOM by a 25% to 75% odds for GOM and SE Florida respectively....and NAM just rolled in and puts it back E of Florida.

Hold on its going to be bumpy with this one I'm afraid.
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Gator:
I believe this is true if the center of a storm emerges north of the eastern tip of Cuba and not further west than the eastern tip. If a storm comes up through central or western Cuba then the %'s are different.
And I am not talking the Western GOM but the Central to Northeastern part.

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#4710 Postby Steve » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:41 pm

>>I hope you are wrong as I lie directly between P'Cola and PCB just west of Destin. But that is a great job and I cannot find any argument toward your reasoning at this point. All I can hope for is that the weakness doesn't verify and Fay heads off further west, sorry LA.

Heh. Biggest problem throughout LA is the lost of coastal protection. People have no idea the strategic importance to the United States of America points on our coast are. From the salt mines that hold much of the national oil reserves to Port Fourchon, there just isn't that much protection anymore. Forget what a map looks like. Any land away from highways is swampgrass these days. We lose like 2 football fields an hour or something, so everyone is exposed. No telling how the levees would hold up either. Would be tough.

At the same time, I've been in and out of the Panhandle a few times since Ivan (Pensacola Beach and Navarre Beach) and it's still pretty bad over there. Real Estate has taken an insane hit further over in Walton and Okaloosa Counties - particularly Santa Rosa Beach and much of the 30A corrdior, and another hurricane could be major trouble up that way. I've seen many properties take 2% per month reductions in value for over 2 years. A lot of developers and land speculators have gone belly up.

Coastal Mississippi is mostly still destroyed - particularly Hancock and Harrison Counties. Jackson County (Pascagoula/Ocean Springs/Moss Bluff) was quicker to recover, as was Mobile County north of the river. Mobile County suffered mostly in the low-lying rural areas such as Grand Bay, Dauphin Island and Bayou La Batre with Katrina, though Baldwin County was mostly untouched (had some problems with Ivan on that side of Mobile Bay).

IMHO a major hit almost anywhere between Panama City to southern Terrebonne Parish (Dulac, Cocadrie, etc. - which got hammered by Rita Surge) would cause a lot of suffering for northern Gulf Coast people who don't really need anymore for a while. St. Mary Parish (south Central LA) hasn't taken that much though Lili caused some problems. Obviously farter west Rita did serious damage through Vermilion and Cameron (SW LA) Parishes along with Orange, Jefferson and Chambers Counties, Texas.

Whatever happens - this isn't to say I'm even calling for a north Gulf Landfall (sticking with my Bahamas/Miami to NC/SC Border until it's no longer a possibility {e.g. going down with the sinking ship if necessary}) - it could be bad for a lot of people depending on intensity.

Steve
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Re: Re:

#4711 Postby gatorcane » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:42 pm

gatorcane wrote:


eastern tip of Cuba so far


hour 30 has not moved from eastern tip of Cuba.
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#4712 Postby Blown Away » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:42 pm

gatorcane wrote::uarrow:

MiamiWx keep in mind only 1 system has affected the panhandle of FL in 150 years of systems forming where Fay is located (month of August). It happened, way way back in 1851, most either head to the Western GOM or impact Southern FL or stay east of Southern FL....

This would be a big exception if this track to the panhandle verified. Personally I think we are going to wake up tomorrow and see a different looking Fay as the Mountains of Hispaniola are already ripping into it in my opinion and I a gradual collapse of convection already on the NW side ---- so I think it should be pretty weak by tomorrow AM and who knows where the remnant LLC will pop out of that big island.


IMO, I think the NHC is being very careful not to commit to quickly to a W trend because they are not completely sold that it will not come close to SFL. If they were sure Fay would go W they would have moved that track W and there would be plenty of time to get folks to prepared to the W. If that turn is a little earlier like around 80W then we have Fay moving over very warm waters towards heavily populated SE coast in <60 hours and if Fay goes W there will be many days to prepare folks on the FL Panhandle and W. How many tracks have you seen with a hard R turn over Cuba then almost due N all the way to the FL Panhandle, very few. IMO, Pensacola to N.O. or it does not go past 83W.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4713 Postby canegrl04 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:45 pm

If that swirl to the south within Fay is the center circ,she is now over water
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4714 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:45 pm

Most important is that Fay could track slower in forward speed across the same waters that RI'ed Charley like gangbusters.


However remember that storms do weird things in interaction with the islands.
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#4715 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:46 pm

TROPICAL STORM FAY 8-15-08 11PM FORECAST:

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Track: The track forecast remains similar. The storm should move off the coast of Haiti tomorrow and then begin to bend northwest into a weakness in the ridge on Sunday. Between Monday and Wednesday I expect Fay to slowly move NNW just off the Florida west coast.

Strength: Given that the storm should be over water for a slightly longer timeframe in this forecast, I have increased my strength forecast just a bit. I now call for Fay to reach a Cat. 1/2 Hurricane prior to landfall.

Final Landfall: Final landfall should be in the Florida big bend or along the eastern part of the panhandle. Any deviation east or west in the track could have a HUGE impact though, and the storm could come inland further east or further west.

INTENSITY FORECAST:

INITIAL: 40KT (46mph)
11pm SAT: 45KT (52mph)
11pm SUN: 60KT (69mph)
11pm MON:70KT (81mph)
11pm TUES: 80KT (92mph)
LANDFALL: 85KT (98mph)
11pm WED: 60KT (69mph)
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#4716 Postby Scorpion » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:47 pm

Fay is really impressing me with her overall size and outflow.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#4717 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:47 pm

I repeat over and over - the worst storms have a tendency to defy overland weakening. (Like Katrina) If this black IR's watch your -self-.
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#4718 Postby Air Force Met » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:48 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
Vortex wrote:nam not on there...be;ow hot off the press

00Z NAM-east of florida and excellent initialization. GFS should prove interesting to determine any trends


http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml


the NAM is utterly worthless


Absolutely. Its only used when it points to your area and you want a storm... :lol:
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#4719 Postby Jason_B » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:48 pm

gatorcane wrote::uarrow:

MiamiWx keep in mind only 1 system has affected the panhandle of FL in 150 years of systems forming where Fay is located (month of August). It happened, way way back in 1851, most either head to the Western GOM or impact Southern FL or stay east of Southern FL....

This would be a big exception if this track to the panhandle verified.
Since when does climo control storms of the present? If the NHC forecasted everything based on climo then they would be wrong a lot.
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#4720 Postby fci » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:52 pm

Jason_B wrote:
gatorcane wrote::uarrow:

MiamiWx keep in mind only 1 system has affected the panhandle of FL in 150 years of systems forming where Fay is located (month of August). It happened, way way back in 1851, most either head to the Western GOM or impact Southern FL or stay east of Southern FL....

This would be a big exception if this track to the panhandle verified.
Since when does climo control storms of the present? If the NHC forecasted everything based on climo then they would be wrong a lot.


and every storm would go in the same direction since climo would never change!!!
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