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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3441 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:33 am

LaBreeze wrote:It's looking better for us here in Vermilion Parish (SouthWest/SouthCentral) LA. At least we'll probably be on the "good" side - the western side, that is if no further changes occur. How likely would the models shift? Does anyone think that they will shift back to west a great deal? Comments.


I'm running late today - I just read Jeff Lindner's email from this morning but he is not buying the easterward swing in the models:

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Per mid and upper level steering…showing a strong high pressure ridge over FL which Gustav should get caught within the southern part of this high within the next several hours and begin a westward motion. CMISS data shows this high centered over S FL ridging SW into the NW Caribbean. While the available model guidance does not suggest a WSW or SW motion…based on the position of this high such a motion is possible. The GFS continues to be trash…a far eastern outlier with a track along the N Cuban coast…which is highly unlikely. The GFS along with the NOGAPS make up the eastern side of the guidance envelop with the GFDL and HWRF nearly on top of each other down the middle and the EURO and CMC off to the western side of the clustering. It should be noted that the GFDL continues wide swings between model runs while both the CMC and GFS have been more stable…but are far outliers to either side.

For the short term a track toward the W or even WSW seems most likely as Gustav rounds the south side of the ridge over S FL. By late Friday into Saturday Gustav will begin to reach the SW side of this ridge and begin to turn toward the WNW and NW. At this time a new high pressure ridge will be building across the SE US and this high will be the controlling factor in determining Gustav’s final landfall location. Do not think the GFS weakness it is showing over the SE US will be a factor and this is why the GFS continues its strong right runs…and of a much weaker system.

Through 72 hours the forecast is fairly straight forward with a track toward the NW Caribbean Sea….thereafter the uncertainty increases to the point that the entire error cone would be at risk. At this point, extrapolation of the centerline NHC track is highly discouraged given the spread in the respected global guidance and the noted errors of TC forecasting at days 4 and 5. Equal and similar preparations should be made within the entire error cone from TX to the FL panhandle.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3442 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:34 am

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wxman57 wrote:I'm afraid I'll have to give up on the chances of Gustav being carried WNW toward south TX. The ridge just doesn't look like it'll be strong enough. I sure hope it doesn't make a direct hit on New Orleans or Mississippi (where my mother lives). Just got their house rebuilt a few years ago after Katrina.


So are you about to sound the alarm to evacuate the central gulf / la coast oil rigs? That is your job isnt it?



Hes probably already done that since we used to be a subscriber to his service....
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3443 Postby KWT » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:34 am

wxman57 wrote:I'm afraid I'll have to give up on the chances of Gustav being carried WNW toward south TX. The ridge just doesn't look like it'll be strong enough. I sure hope it doesn't make a direct hit on New Orleans or Mississippi (where my mother lives). Just got their house rebuilt a few years ago after Katrina.


Yep looking more and more like a central Gulf problem and probably a major problem, hopefully it becomes a bit larger because a small system won't weaken much at all until its very close to landfall as we've seen with so many small hurricanes in the past.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3444 Postby hial2 » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:35 am

cycloneye wrote:Image


I cant remember seeing such a huge cone of error in any other storm..It covers all the states bordering the GOM..
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3445 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:35 am

The latest:

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3446 Postby wxman57 » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:36 am

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wxman57 wrote:I'm afraid I'll have to give up on the chances of Gustav being carried WNW toward south TX. The ridge just doesn't look like it'll be strong enough. I sure hope it doesn't make a direct hit on New Orleans or Mississippi (where my mother lives). Just got their house rebuilt a few years ago after Katrina.



I was hoping it would be going to MX as originally thought........


Me too, but hope as I might, I can't turn a hurricane. I know when to throw in the towel.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3447 Postby RL3AO » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:37 am

hial2 wrote:
I cant remember seeing such a huge cone of error in any other storm..It covers all the states bordering the GOM..



The cone never changes size. Its 2/3 the average track error.
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#3448 Postby KWT » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:37 am

You can really see that northerly shear there Hurakan, the northern quadrant is lacking convection, I guess with a small inner core though its not a huge deal if it can keep bursting. I guess the fact the air into the northern quadrant is coming from Haiti and DR still isn't helping either.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3449 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:38 am

wxman57 wrote:
ROCK wrote:
wxman57 wrote:I'm afraid I'll have to give up on the chances of Gustav being carried WNW toward south TX. The ridge just doesn't look like it'll be strong enough. I sure hope it doesn't make a direct hit on New Orleans or Mississippi (where my mother lives). Just got their house rebuilt a few years ago after Katrina.



I was hoping it would be going to MX as originally thought........


Me too, but hope as I might, I can't turn a hurricane. I know when to throw in the towel.



well good luck...hope you get some sleep at some point....we all appreciate your comments on here....
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#3450 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:38 am

GFDL and HWRF are the more reliable models, I'd pay closest
attention to them but remember they may shift directions
or locations several times in a 5 day forecast.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3451 Postby HurryKane » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:39 am

Praxus wrote:I can't imagine what it would be like to live in New Orleans and look at the latest NHC track.



Or how 'bout the rest of us who live in the Invisible Area Surrounding Greater New Orleans ;) A cane isn't a point and more than NOLA would be affected if the current path verified.
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#3452 Postby Dean4Storms » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:40 am

Evidently the NHC see's the influence of the trough really coming into play as they increase Gustav's forward speed and mention shear coming into play once in the GOM.
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#3453 Postby KWT » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:40 am

By the way wxman57 do you see the shear that the NHC mentioned in the last discussion between day 4-5?

Also worth noting it seems like Gustav is now moving close to west, maybe a touch north of west but probsbly no more then 275 I'd guess in the last couple of hours.
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#3454 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:41 am

Dean4Storms wrote:Evidently the NHC see's the influence of the trough really coming into play as they increase Gustav's forward speed and mention shear coming into play once in the GOM.


Would the trough be visible on water vapor imagery over the US this far in advance? Just wondering...
Because that could offer some guidance to the uncertainty
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#3455 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:41 am

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:GFDL and HWRF are the more reliable models, I'd pay closest
attention to them but remember they may shift directions
or locations several times in a 5 day forecast.



the GFDL shifted 18z (Galveston) 00Z (NO) (06Z central LA).....


IMO, its shifting to the left again!!!! :lol
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#3456 Postby Dean4Storms » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:42 am

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:GFDL and HWRF are the more reliable models, I'd pay closest
attention to them but remember they may shift directions
or locations several times in a 5 day forecast.


If I remember correctly these two models still had Fay headed toward the NE GOM near Cedar Key to Tampa long after the GFS had swung to a SW FL landfall. Could they be over estimating ridges??
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3457 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:43 am

http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_us.html

Can someone help me find the trough :uarrow: :?: Looks really complicated.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3458 Postby Brent » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:44 am

cycloneye wrote:The latest:

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Looks like a new blowup of convection near the center?
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#3459 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:45 am

ROCK wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:GFDL and HWRF are the more reliable models, I'd pay closest
attention to them but remember they may shift directions
or locations several times in a 5 day forecast.



the GFDL shifted 18z (Galveston) 00Z (NO) (06Z central LA).....


IMO, its shifting to the left again!!!! :lol


I know they shift huge amounts now but I mean when it gets to 3 days...oh well I'm really confused...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav between Cuba and Haiti

#3460 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:45 am

Brent wrote:
cycloneye wrote:The latest:

Image


Looks like a new blowup of convection near the center?


Yes.
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