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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav in Central Caribbean Sea

#5161 Postby JtSmarts » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:49 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:I definitely agree that it is extremely important to avoid the dire "doom" prognostications, but it seems like we (collectively) start to ascribe "shear", "dry air", etc. to every TC that enters the Gulf of Mexico (after Lili, Katrina, Ivan, Dennis, Opal, et al weakened prior to landfall). You must ask the question, "If an identical repeat of Carla, Camille, Celia, Eloise, or Frederic occurred today, would we initially assume the TC would weaken significantly prior to landfall based on other past examples?" It seems like we're becoming too accustomed to TCs behaving homogeneously as they approach the Gulf Coast. It is also important to note that Lili still caused extensive wind/flooding damages in rural areas, although the wind damage was obviously not as "bad" as the potential Cat 3+ landfall initially suggested. Most people tend to underestimate the strength of strong TS/Cat 1/Cat 2 winds. It is also notable that many people on this forum downplayed Katrina as it weakened, and we all observed the premature "New Orleans/Gulf Coast dodged the bullet" headlines. Obviously, Katrina, Ivan, Dennis, and Opal were still very destructive TCs even after weakening, and they produced a broad swath of TS/Cat 1 winds that caused extensive damages, in addition to the tremendous surge destruction. Since these weakening TCs (under different synoptic environments than Camille, Carla, Frederic, Eloise, etc.) inflicted extreme monetary and human losses, the prospects of a TC that does not weaken significantly prior to landfall (along a very vulnerable region) are very unsettling. I have an uncomfortable suspicion that we will be surprised one day. I'm NOT stating that Gustav will be "the one"; I'm merely advocating another perspective to keep in mind as well.


Excellent post! This is all so true.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav in Central Caribbean Sea

#5162 Postby ktulu909 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:50 pm

Call me crazy,but from the infrared ole gussy seems to be moving almost SW.
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#5163 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:51 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html

Is that an Eddy or did the center take another SW jog?
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#5164 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:51 pm

Hmmm east wind at kingston, thats pretty interesting though its hard to say whether that means anything without other data.
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#5165 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:51 pm

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PTrackerLA wrote:Houston area - Pensacola area still very much in the danger zone so stay tuned of course. Unfortunately we're continuing to be targeted but I'm still holding out hope for a shift tomorrow or Saturday (sorry neighbors).

One thing I must mention, IF the current track were to more or less "pan out" in 4-5 days, the NHC as well as computer models must be applauded for the tremendous advances that have been made in forecasting. We shall see.


I think you may get your shift(westward?)wish in the coming days.



Any reason to think it would shift West as opposed to staying nearly constant or shifting East towards P'cola?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav in Central Caribbean Sea

#5166 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:53 pm

ktulu909 wrote:Call me crazy,but from the infrared ole gussy seems to be moving almost SW.


Would not surprise me with crazy storm.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav in Central Caribbean Sea

#5167 Postby pablolopez26 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:53 pm

Stormcenter wrote:
I think you may get your shift(westward?)wish in the coming days.


Whats your basis for that opinion?
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#5168 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:54 pm

KWT wrote:Hmmm east wind at kingston, thats pretty interesting though its hard to say whether that means anything without other data.


Makes sense to me... The on visula it looks life the center jogged SW. Could be an Eddy

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html
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#5169 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:55 pm

Its hard to know exactly where the center is but that report from Kingston would suggest its jogged SW away from the mountions...I haven't a clue though right now!
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#5170 Postby weatherguru18 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:56 pm

Check out the lastest UKMET and NOGAPS models in the model thread. Bad news for Houston!
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#5171 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:58 pm

Just like Fay this don't go around something it goes right through, it don't care if there is 6 thousand foot high mountains. It should get its innercore destroyed yet again, so another 12 hour wait once it gets off land. Then it should be off to the races.
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#5172 Postby txag2005 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:58 pm

weatherguru18 wrote:Check out the lastest UKMET and NOGAPS models in the model thread. Bad news for Houston!


Haven't those models been pulling farther west than most before now?
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#5173 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:02 pm

weatherguru18 wrote:Check out the lastest UKMET and NOGAPS models in the model thread. Bad news for Houston!


Are you sure those are the latest runs? If so they are MUCH further WEST.
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#5174 Postby txag2005 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:04 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:
weatherguru18 wrote:Check out the lastest UKMET and NOGAPS models in the model thread. Bad news for Houston!


Are you sure those are the latest runs? If so they are MUCH further WEST.


I think the model thread has comments that they are old.
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#5175 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:10 pm

KWT wrote:Its hard to know exactly where the center is but that report from Kingston would suggest its jogged SW away from the mountions...I haven't a clue though right now!



I would place it near 17.9/76.9., But I believe it could be refocusing south of that.
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#5176 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:11 pm

Yeah those models are old now, well the UKMO is anyway.

Matt, I;ve got a sneaky feeling the center has jogged to the south-west away from the mountions, east wind at Kingston doesn't stack up with a center well inland?
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#5177 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:13 pm

KWT wrote:Yeah those models are old now, well the UKMO is anyway.

Matt, I;ve got a sneaky feeling the center has jogged to the south-west away from the mountions, east wind at Kingston doesn't stack up with a center well inland?



I believe it is on the south coast. The convection is starting to fire over that area. With good banding.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Gustav in Central Caribbean Sea

#5178 Postby mutley » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:18 pm

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#5179 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:20 pm

Yep Kingston still reporting ENE winds, and given the way the Vis shows the convection starting to concentrate further south near Kingston seems like the system has pulled WSW/SW over the last few hours.
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#5180 Postby hiflyer » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:20 pm

http://www.insmet.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB ... AXw01a.gif

Cuban radar covering the area.....sw movement looks realistic.

METAR MKJP 282200Z 08037KT 00050 +SHRA OVC014 24/23 Q0992
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