H.S. Teacher Creates Deck Of Cards Questioning War In Iraq

j · #41 Postby j » Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:53 am

[quote="mf_dolphin Lord knows we don't want California and New York deciding every Presidential vote.[/quote]

Amen!

Lindaloo · #42 Postby **Lindaloo** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:05 pm

Not not predictable John... it is just I have heard it SO many times from ya. :lol:

mf_dolphin · #43 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:18 pm

Stephanie wrote:
Lindaloo wrote:I need to research this a little more before I get into this any deeper. Stay tuned

I know we relied on Intelligence when we dropped "the bomb" on that restaurant in Iraq where Saddam & sons were supposedly seen going into. But yet some sources say he is still alive.

That's what I mean Lindaloo! If I hear more information about the "intelligence", I'll change my opinion accordingly (if at all). I just want to make sure that I'm getting all of the facts, not a snow-job when something like an invasion is being planned.

We will never know all the "facts" about intelligence involved prior to an invasion or other armed conflict. We don't have any need to know everything for that matter. There is a point where we have to rely on the people we elected to do their job. If they don't we replace them. We have one of the world's best intelligence services despite serious damage done to it in the last 15 years or so. Unfortunately it's not a perfect world. Mistakes can and will happen. In this particular case, athe left hand didn't know what the right hand knew. Sounds like a typical multi-government SNAFU to me. This is election year politics and that's what most of this fuss is about. It wouldn't be any different if we had a Democratic President. It would just be the Republicans yelling....

David · #44 Postby **David** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:19 pm

Well, I don't know why everbody is mad at him. He had a heck of a job the week of Sept. 11th. I don't even wanna know what Gore would of done. :roll:

#45 Postby **Stephanie** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:36 pm

[quote="mf_dolphinWe will never know all the "facts" about intelligence involved prior to an invasion or other armed conflict. We don't have any need to know everything for that matter. There is a point where we have to rely on the people we elected to do their job. If they don't we replace them. We have one of the world's best intelligence services despite serious damage done to it in the last 15 years or so. Unfortunately it's not a perfect world. Mistakes can and will happen. In this particular case, athe left hand didn't know what the right hand knew. Sounds like a typical multi-government SNAFU to me. This is election year politics and that's what most of this fuss is about. It wouldn't be any different if we had a Democratic President. It would just be the Republicans yelling....[/quote]

EXACTLY MARSHALL!!!

therock1811 · #46 Postby **therock1811** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:41 pm

Stephanie wrote:[quote="mf_dolphin]We will never know all the "facts" about intelligence involved prior to an invasion or other armed conflict. We don't have any need to know everything for that matter. There is a point where we have to rely on the people we elected to do their job. If they don't we replace them. We have one of the world's best intelligence services despite serious damage done to it in the last 15 years or so. Unfortunately it's not a perfect world. Mistakes can and will happen. In this particular case, athe left hand didn't know what the right hand knew. Sounds like a typical multi-government SNAFU to me. This is election year politics and that's what most of this fuss is about. It wouldn't be any different if we had a Democratic President. It would just be the Republicans yelling....

EXACTLY MARSHALL!!!

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Exactly is right!!!!!!!!!!!

David · #47 Postby **David** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:43 pm

That's true. It would be easier if they would all get along, but, that won't happen. :roll:

j · #48 Postby j » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:45 pm

the difference is, instead of intelligance reports, we'd be checking out stains on dresses, doing DNA analysis..etc..etc...all that un-important character analysis crap...thanks for reminding me what its like when there is a Dem in the office.

mf_dolphin · #49 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:55 pm

I guess some people don't think it's important when the President tells an intentional bold face lie to the Judicial System and the American public.

David · #50 Postby **David** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:02 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:I guess some people don't think it's important when the President tells an intentional bold face lie to the Judicial System and the American public.

He didn't know the information was wrong until a couple days or weeks ago. It was the CIA's fault, you can't blame Bush.

chadtm80 · #51 Postby **chadtm80** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:24 pm

He is talking about Clinton David

#52 Postby **Stephanie** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:34 pm

j wrote:the difference is, instead of intelligance reports, we'd be checking out stains on dresses, doing DNA analysis..etc..etc...all that un-important character analysis crap...thanks for reminding me what its like when there is a Dem in the office.

Yeah, but one was almost a death of a marriage and the other meant the deaths of soldiers and civilians. I think that that is a major difference.

Again, I don't necessarily think that it was an intentional lie, though I probably wouldn't be surprised either if it came out that way, but I think the consequences are much higher for one instead of the other.

David · #53 Postby **David** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:38 pm

chadtm80 wrote:He is talking about Clinton David

Ok, i'm sorry. My fault.

JetMaxx · #54 Postby **JetMaxx** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:53 pm

David wrote:Well, I don't know why everbody is mad at him. He had a heck of a job the week of Sept. 11th. I don't even wanna know what Gore would of done.

Me either David...me either. It's frightening to even comprehend.

#55 Postby **streetsoldier** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:02 pm

Now, if some enterprising person had the 52 most outspoken anti-war activists printed on either toilet paper, or on "Jonny cakes", I might be tempted to siphon off a little cash for them... :wink:

mf_dolphin · #56 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:54 am

The war in Iraq saved many more live than it cost. One of the most truly vile dictators of the 20th century is on the run and one source of WMD is no longer a threat. I would also challenge the notion that President Clinton's actions only affected his marriage. Not only did he bring shame on the Office of the President, his token actions against multiple terrorist attacks against the US were reprehensible IMO.

j · #57 Postby j » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:48 am

mf_dolphin wrote:The war in Iraq saved many more live than it cost. One of the most truly vile dictators of the 20th century is on the run and one source of WMD is no longer a threat. I would also challenge the notion that President Clinton's actions only affected his marriage. Not only did he bring shame on the Office of the President, his token actions against multiple terrorist attacks against the US were reprehensible IMO.

EXACTLY.....I could care less what happened to his marriage...that is none of anybody's business. What matters is Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power, and the lack of respect he received from military personnel. How can you expect a soldier to fight for and defend the honor of his country when their leader is without honor and morals himself? Clinton was a risk to our National Security (IMO) because he didn't have the Military behind him. Hell...they could barely muster a salute when he would step off Air Force One!

Shame to the Office of the Presidency .... you can't have it.

Stephanie .... have you ever heard of a war where men do not lose their lives? I mean come on, this is the most successful military action ever taken in regards to minimized military loss and maximum enemy death or capture. But it goes much further than that...The re-buliding process, and eventual quality of life that the Iraqi people will enjoy.

You ask any soldier in the Military, or the one's that are back from Iraq how THEY feel about what they have been asked to do and you will see a proud American, a soldier that respects the President of the United States, a soldier that was willing to die for this Country.

Don't forget Stephanie...there is no Draft. Every soldier in uniform today is there because they chose to be. They are doing their job. Stop blaming Bush -----> "Yeah, but one was almost a death of a marriage and the other meant the deaths of soldiers and civilians. I think that that is a major difference. "

#58 Postby **Stephanie** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:22 am

[quote="j]Stephanie .... have you ever heard of a war where men do not lose their lives? I mean come on, this is the most successful military action ever taken in regards to minimized military loss and maximum enemy death or capture. But it goes much further than that...The re-buliding process, and eventual quality of life that the Iraqi people will enjoy.

You ask any soldier in the Military, or the one's that are back from Iraq how THEY feel about what they have been asked to do and you will see a proud American, a soldier that respects the President of the United States, a soldier that was willing to die for this Country.

Don't forget Stephanie...there is no Draft. Every soldier in uniform today is there because they chose to be. They are doing their job. Stop blaming Bush -----> "Yeah, but one was almost a death of a marriage and the other meant the deaths of soldiers and civilians. I think that that is a major difference. "[/quote]

No j - I had no idea - I guess I'll have to ask Marty's son... :roll:

WidreMann · #59 Postby **WidreMann** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:33 pm

But the question is really whether we should have gone to war in the first place, not whether the soldiers fought valiantly or were prepared to die for their country. That's really just a red-herring.

David · #60 Postby **David** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:45 pm

WidreMann wrote:But the question is really whether we should have gone to war in the first place, not whether the soldiers fought valiantly or were prepared to die for their country. That's really just a red-herring.

Well, we supposivly had the evidence that he had WMD. Even if they couldn't get to the US, they could hurt our allies over there. Anyways, he treated his civilians like crap anyway.

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