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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#201 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:39 am

Looks like IKE is around the corner.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#202 Postby fci » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:39 am

johngaltfla wrote:Sigh. I was looking at the track, not the intensity. I'm glad all the newbies have appointed themselves as official S2K policemods. :roll:

You guys need to hang around a lot longer and grasp what is happening on the board.

A storm with 7 days over open water taking the same approach as other storms historically is not an unreasonable methodology for looking at potential future paths and outcomes. The climatology might be different for this time but the path that has been laid out by the NHC provides some interesting comparisons to previous storms.


And to add to this very good post:
The certainty that the NHC shows in the track is a little unusual and having "soon to be" Ike north of PR in 5 days is pretty extraordinary and quick. There usually are some caveats about uncertainties and not much deviation is shown at least over the next 5 days and for a long way.
Also, this being a HUrricane so early and NOT turning poleward is a concern.
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#203 Postby apocalypt-flyer » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:40 am

Wrapping up nicely around approx. 18N, 39W.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#204 Postby HurricaneRobert » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:40 am

Is this an east coast threat or a Gulf coast? The closest historical tracks include Fran and Hortense, so it would seem like there's going to be a huge recurve in its future.
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#205 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:45 am

Cant we get a break? lol
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#206 Postby apocalypt-flyer » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:48 am

HurricaneRobert wrote:Is this an east coast threat or a Gulf coast? The closest historical tracks include Fran and Hortense, so it would seem like there's going to be a huge recurve in its future.



That's approximately 7 till 10 days out and too early to say. However it seems that a few models keep this going steadily west into the Florida straights. Still, we'll probably know more in 3 or 4 days I assume.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#207 Postby Patrick99 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:51 am

My guess, given the initial position of this relatively far north, is that it will be a recurver, and that NHC track will change. I gotta go with climatology here too......from that position they don't usually take a straight shot through Florida into the Gulf....
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#208 Postby fasterdisaster » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:52 am

Why did this disappear on the S2K map?
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#209 Postby Enzo Aquarius » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:04 pm

fasterdisaster wrote:Why did this disappear on the S2K map?


It's back up now, I think it was being updated.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#210 Postby perk » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:05 pm

Patrick99 wrote:My guess, given the initial position of this relatively far north, is that it will be a recurver, and that NHC track will change. I gotta go with climatology here too......from that position they don't usually take a straight shot through Florida into the Gulf....




Recurve where?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#211 Postby Patrick99 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:05 pm

All you S. FL people, don't worry about this or Hanna......we have a protective shield up from Miami to WPB, as you know. The Gulfstream is going to turn both of them north before they get here :lol:

That was sarcasm, by the way.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#212 Postby Patrick99 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:07 pm

perk wrote:
Patrick99 wrote:My guess, given the initial position of this relatively far north, is that it will be a recurver, and that NHC track will change. I gotta go with climatology here too......from that position they don't usually take a straight shot through Florida into the Gulf....




Recurve where?


If I'm going climo, I'd probably look for a Fran-like track. This is with no analysis of what ridges and troughs may be there 7 days out.....I've just never seen a storm take a straight shot like that in my lifetime. I'm thinking it recurves, maybe on a weakness left from Hanna.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#213 Postby El Nino » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:12 pm

We all know what climatology is, but just in case :

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#214 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:12 pm

It's extremely early to say if it will recurve or not. Stay tuned. Gustav first, then Hanna, and then this!
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#215 Postby Chacor » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:16 pm

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Forecast challenge for TD 9.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#216 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:50 pm

Patrick99 wrote:
perk wrote:
Patrick99 wrote:My guess, given the initial position of this relatively far north, is that it will be a recurver, and that NHC track will change. I gotta go with climatology here too......from that position they don't usually take a straight shot through Florida into the Gulf....




Recurve where?


If I'm going climo, I'd probably look for a Fran-like track. This is with no analysis of what ridges and troughs may be there 7 days out.....I've just never seen a storm take a straight shot like that in my lifetime. I'm thinking it recurves, maybe on a weakness left from Hanna.


As of now Hanna will be inland sometime Friday then accelerating north. There will be more than enough time for the weakness to be replaced by a ridge. But as you say there is no telling when or where a trough might form to turn this storm, or might just turn it nw for a day or two then another strong high could build back in and resume its west track. Many days to watch and surely models will flip flop back and forth till then.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#217 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:51 pm

Although it's likely to recurve based on that climatology map you just posted, you never never know for sure....Although it's true that most tropical storms in this area recurve out to sea...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Nine in Eastern Atlantic

#218 Postby WindRunner » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:57 pm

HurricaneRobert wrote:Is this an east coast threat or a Gulf coast? The closest historical tracks include Fran and Hortense, so it would seem like there's going to be a huge recurve in its future.


The best matches that I got back were Karen of 1995, Cesar of 1990, and Gloria and Felix of 1985. Probably not a Gulf threat, but we will have to see how the ridge is playing come this time next week.
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#219 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:02 pm

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The NHC said that they were waiting for the convection to persist to upgrade TD #9 to Ike, I think we have Ike.
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#220 Postby captain east » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:04 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Image

The NHC said that they were waiting for the convection to persist to upgrade TD #9 to Ike, I think we have Ike.

Jeez O Man! That thing is beautiful! :(
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