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#41 Postby hunter84 » Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:59 pm

more thanks marshall, I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
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#42 Postby hunter84 » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:01 pm

Where would I find Mozilla?
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#43 Postby WidreMann » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:03 pm

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#44 Postby hunter84 » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:46 pm

thankyou, if I can stay online long enough tomorrow I'll look it up.
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#45 Postby hunter84 » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:57 pm

During one of my freeze ups today.HEHEHE During a startup I received an error message.
"There are no spare stack pages..."
Does this sound familliar to any of you? And could it be a possible link to my problems.
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#46 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:07 pm

It's possible. I found this article on Microsoft's Knowledgebase.
Error Message: There Are No Spare Stack Pages
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows 95

This article was previously published under Q149083
SYMPTOMS
When you use a computer that is running Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Millennium Edition (Me), you may receive one of the following error message:

There are no spare stack pages. It may be necessary to increase the setting of 'MinSPs' in System.ini to prevent possible stack faults. There are currently nnn SPs allocated.


Terminating thread due to stack overflow problem. A vxd consumed too much stack space. Increase setting of MinSPs in System.ini or remove recently installed vxd's. There are currently nnn SPs allocated. Hit any key to proceed.
CAUSE
This behavior can occur when Windows encounters an internal overflow of the stacks that are used by 32-bit Windows-based device drivers. Please note that this is not related to the "Stacks=" line in the Config.sys file, which is used for 16-bit MS-DOS-based device drivers.

Stack overflow conditions are indicative of errors in the device driver. Device drivers are allocated 4 kilobytes (KB), or one page, of space to be used as a stack. If the device driver uses more than 4 KB of memory, a stack overflow condition occurs.

Windows sets aside a number of extra memory pages, or spare stack pages, to be used temporarily so that your computer does not stop responding (hang) due to a stack overflow condition. When the stack overflow condition has passed, Windows reclaims the temporary page. The default number of spare stack pages is two.

If Windows detects that it has run out of spare stack pages, you receive the error message that is mentioned in the "Symptoms" section of this article. Windows continues to operate correctly unless a device driver encounters a stack overflow condition when there are no free spare stack pages.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this behavior, add the following line to the [386Enh] section of the System.ini file, and then restart your computer:
MinSPs=4

If the behavior continues to occur, increase the number of spare stack pages in increments of 4 (for example, 8, 12, 16).

NOTE: Each spare stack page requires 4 KB of memory.

To edit the System.ini file for Windows 95, 98 and 98se:
Click Start, click Run, type sysedit in the Open box, and then click OK.
Click System.ini on the Window menu.
In the [386Enh] section, type the following line:
MinSPs=4

On the File menu, click Exit, and then click Yes to save the changes.
Restart your computer.

To edit the System.ini file for Windows Me:


Click Start, click Search, For files or folders.
In the "Search for files or folders named" box type "System.ini" (without the quotation marks) and make sure that the "Look in" drop-down box lists "Local Hard Drive (C:). Click on the Search Now button.
When the search results appear in the pane on the right side, be sure to double-click on the System.ini file that is listed "In Folder" C:\Windows. This should open the System.ini file up inside of Notepad.
In the [386Enh] section, add or edit the following line as applicible:
"MinSPs=4" (without the quotation marks)

On the File menu, click Save, then click the File menu again and click Exit.
Restart your computer.
MORE INFORMATION
Note: The following information comes from sources outside of Microsoft. Microsoft provides it to you as a courtesy and has not verified its accuracy or validity.

If you are running Norton AntiVirus by Symantec, you can visit the following URL for information from the Symantec web site:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/na ... enDocument

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#47 Postby hunter84 » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:12 pm

We came across that same page here at work tonight. I'll havee to dig into it but it's funny I haven't had that error appear before. Have you seen it before?
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#48 Postby WidreMann » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:13 pm

The plot thickens...

Could it be a modem issue? The article states that it is an issue with device drivers, one of which a modem would certainly have. And you did say it was only an internet issue, so that would limit the problem to the modem, assuming my first assumption that this is a device issue is correct.
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#49 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:19 pm

Common stack errors (16 bit) were very common in Windows 98 especially those running older hardware with Windows95 drivers. This error is specifically for 32-bit drivers (vxd'x) . That said, stack errors usually result in a hard lock which is what you have been experiencing. The other thing is that these type of errors don't always allow the error message to be displayed since the computer freezes beofre the screen display can occur.
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#50 Postby hunter84 » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:21 pm

interesting thought. I'm taking notes I'll let you know tomorrow what I can find out.
Is there any way to test out the modem other than trying a different on, it is an internal by the way.
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#51 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:26 pm

SInce the problem is with the device driver (software) and not the modem itself I wouldn;t worry about it until I tried the MS suggestion.
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#52 Postby WidreMann » Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:33 pm

Speaking of that, are your drivers completely updated? If you can get it to work by changing the stack size, then you might be able to be online long enough to download an updated driver.
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#53 Postby hunter84 » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:17 pm

it's so nice to see you 2 getting along :) jk.
I have tomorrow off so I'll be playing with this stuff and see what happens. Thanks again .fingers crossed
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#54 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:57 pm

I've got mine crossed for you! :-) I'll turn him into a conservative in no time at all ;-)
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#55 Postby WidreMann » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:20 pm

I'll turn him into a conservative in no time at all


There was a time when I was a hardcore conservative...

Then I went to WWBB...

The rest is, as it is so often said, history.
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#56 Postby hunter84 » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:57 am

Well I tried some of the things that were suggested here over the weekend. I wish I had good news for myself but I had to go to a professional to make a house call and work hands on. I have a teenager coming over Wednesday to help :oops: :roll:
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#57 Postby WidreMann » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:31 am

I'm having similar problems now. IE just freezes (hard - not even the mouse moves and if I'm listening to music, it starts repeating). I got SP4 and the latest version of the Java VM. Maybe it's a virus? I'll have to run a virus scan this morning.
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#58 Postby hunter84 » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:36 am

Sorry to hear that. If you find one(or something) let me know please.
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#59 Postby Constructionwx » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:47 pm

Hi all,

I have recently installed SP1 to IE6 and IE started to become unstable, I'm running XP so the OS doesn't crash but IE just tells me it's quittin' time.

I found this last night - http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... layLang=en

Now she's purring like a kitten :)
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#60 Postby Colin » Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:12 pm

Glad it's workin' good for ya now, RP! :)
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