
Yes, the Daily Mail article says Global Warming is to blame...
Edit to add- Ok, Daily Mail has updated story, as recently as yesterday, and no longer blames October snow in UK on Global Warming. So edited thread title.
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Ed Mahmoud wrote:Yes, the Daily Mail article says Global Warming is to blame...
x-y-no wrote:Ed Mahmoud wrote:Yes, the Daily Mail article says Global Warming is to blame...
I searched the article for "global warming" and "climate change" and didn't find anything. Care to supply a quote to support this statement?
By Daily Mail Reporter and David Derbyshire
Last updated at 2:27 AM on 30th October 2008
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:This has nothing what so ever to do with "global warming", it has not warmed hardly at all in 10 years; I would say based on the solar mins and maxs falling within a 'point' to match closely global temperature changes. with the help of weather patterns and ocean patterns throughout the limited data we have that only goes' back about a hundred years if that. Based on this the weather and climate patterns of earth seem to follow that very closely indeed. I would strongly agrue against any 5-6c degrees' of warming over 92 years, unless something huge happens, like the sun starting its' red giant cycle, or something weird happens. It won't happen IMO. People that think it will have to back it up with facts on why they think so, because even coming out of the little ice age in the late 18th and early 19th centuries time period with a warming of .6c during the 20th century, with all the co2 pumped into the Atmosphere. Using common sense at most .8-1.0c of warming should happen over the next 100 years; it is likely that no more then half that will happen. In of course that could go the other way if something changes. We can never tell.
Based on these facts, I don't understand why people should "force" tens of trillions of dollars in economic changes for it. It makes no sense. Let the free market work it out.
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:This has nothing what so ever to do with "global warming", it has not warmed hardly at all in 10 years; I would say based on the solar mins and maxs falling within a 'point' to match closely global temperature changes. with the help of weather patterns and ocean patterns throughout the limited data we have that only goes' back about a hundred years if that. Based on this the weather and climate patterns of earth seem to follow that very closely indeed. I would strongly agrue against any 5-6c degrees' of warming over 92 years, unless something huge happens, like the sun starting its' red giant cycle, or something weird happens. It won't happen IMO. People that think it will have to back it up with facts on why they think so, because even coming out of the little ice age in the late 18th and early 19th centuries time period with a warming of .6c during the 20th century, with all the co2 pumped into the Atmosphere. Using common sense at most .8-1.0c of warming should happen over the next 100 years; it is likely that no more then half that will happen. In of course that could go the other way if something changes. We can never tell.
Based on these facts, I don't understand why people should "force" tens of trillions of dollars in economic changes for it. It makes no sense. Let the free market work it out.
Over the past decade there have been both record extreme lows, record snowfalls in winter even in Baghdad, also
record heat in summer that is highly brutal. Also a report released by the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change supports this with tons of scientists involved. http://www.ipcc.ch/
That is why I feel that global warming is a serious problem that is impacting
many millions of people via floods/brutal temperatures/etc.
I'm just one of the messengers warning about this serious crisis...because it is a serious
crisis...don't shoot the messenger :wink:
jinftl wrote:I believe that as a society, we need to be more eco-conscious and green....and maybe that is the ultimate intent of reports that link a particular weather event to global warming...but other than implicitly stressing the need to be 'green' by showing the consequences already happening, extreme weather has and always will take place. There are enough dynamics in the atmosphere without globabl warming to produce heat waves, cold waves, monster storms and droughts, etc.
It is so hard to link a weather event in one city, state, country to an overall global climate change. Take last week...record temps were being reported in some cities in the U.S. Southeast. At the same time, record highs were being reported in Southern California.
More than an 'event', it is long-term observation of overall pattern and temperature change that will indicate if there is any global warming or cooling. Even then, climate change has been a reality since the earth was formed, the full extent of what is man-made and what is earth-made climate change would then need to be debated.
Industrial Revolution
During the Industrial Revolution of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, pollution became a major problem with the introduction of the steam engine and a series of technological advances that led to the production of goods shifting from homes and small factories to large industrial factories. The invention of more productive processes to manufacture cotton textiles contributed greatly to the number of mills located in England, and later in the northeastern United States. The steam engine allowed capitalists to transfer their manufacturing plants away from naturally flowing waters (outside the city) to areas inside and around cities where more abundant labor was available. Pollution increased because of the more concentrated conditions within the industrializing cities and because of the use of artificially produced power (such as coal) that replaced the natural power of fast-running rivers.
Worst Forest Disaster in U.S. History
Hurricane Katrina Destroyed Millions of Trees, Increasing Climate Change
When Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast two years ago, the storm devastated 320 million trees.
Now the United States is suffering the worst forest catastrophe in its history, according to a new analysis by the journal Science.
Using satellite images, scientists found that more than 5 million acres of trees were destroyed across Mississippi and Alabama. Experts said it would take decades for the plant life to recover, and some areas may be permanently damaged.
"An area of the state of Maine was affected, and that's a huge area," said George Hurt, an ecologist who was also a co-author the Science study. "More than 10 times the size, for example, of what was affected by the California wildfires recently. So this is a huge event."
But of even more concern is that these fallen forests will have soon released as much carbon dioxide back into the air -- 367 million tons of it -- as all the rest of U.S. forests absorb in an entire year. Trees capture carbon dioxide, which they turn into oxygen and use to create wood and leaves. As this fallen lumber starts to decay, they release these greenhouse gases into the air, which in turn hastens climate change.
Feedback Loop
"It is an irony that the change we may see as the climate warms, with increased storms of this magnitude, could be accelerating the source of the emissions that create the change, so the change could be accelerating itself," said Glenn Prickett, a forestry expert for Conservation International.
Deforestation already accounts for nearly one in every five tons of carbon dioxide that humanity worldwide puts into the atmosphere. And Katrina's wake has now added to this deforestation. Such hurricanes become more likely, say many scientists, as global warming accelerates due to greenhouse gas emissions. Scientists call this phenomenon a feedback loop; the warmer it gets, the more likely that storms could kill more forests, which would release even more greenhouse gas. "A major source of greenhouse gases that are contributing to climate change is actually the loss of forests," Prickett said.
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