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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#21 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:56 am

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somethingfunny wrote:Sounds like a classic case of Keystone Cops. What was the point of publicizing every detail of this case? They'll never get a conviction because of that alone. Idiots.



FIrst off, let me state that I am HIGHLY offended by your smart aleck comments....you see, I'm in law enforcement, I live just 38 miles from this town of "Keystone Cops", many of them are my friends! Secondly, it was NOT the police dept who released the news, it was the newspaper, shortly after this was printed, the judge ordered a gag order put in place!! I suggest you think your thoughts over before posting such offending comments!

David, according to trusted sources, the kid shows signs of being a sociopath, no amount of help, counseling etc would ever help him...he's what is known as a "genetic criminal"...it's in his genetic makeup.


I apologize about wording that the way I did....it was uncalled for on my part. It's frustrating that with a long narrative like the one above already made public about many intimate details of this case, that the jury pool will likely be tainted because people will already have made up ther minds regarding that child's guilt, innocence, or lack of responsibility for the murder. I have nothing but respect for the men and women who serve on our police forces across the US, but it upsets me when a little mistake-whether it's caused by sloppy police work or an overzealous media-puts that hard work in jeopardy.

A correct verdict will be needed if there is any hope at all for this child....without writing off his soul at the age of eight but also without just letting him go to potentially kill again someday...perhaps decades....from now.
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#22 Postby x-y-no » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:14 am

David, according to trusted sources, the kid shows signs of being a sociopath, no amount of help, counseling etc would ever help him...he's what is known as a "genetic criminal"...it's in his genetic makeup.


If that truly turns out to be the case then this really is a terrible quandary. On the one hand, I firmly believe that no eight year old should be treated as an adult. On the other, treatment as a juvenile would mean eventual release to the public and if he really is a sociopath he would almost certainly kill again.

Our society never really has resolved this kind of situation. Some kind of monitoring/control for life seems called for, but how to do it?
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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#23 Postby azsnowman » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:41 pm

somethingfunny wrote:
azsnowman wrote:
somethingfunny wrote:Sounds like a classic case of Keystone Cops. What was the point of publicizing every detail of this case? They'll never get a conviction because of that alone. Idiots.



FIrst off, let me state that I am HIGHLY offended by your smart aleck comments....you see, I'm in law enforcement, I live just 38 miles from this town of "Keystone Cops", many of them are my friends! Secondly, it was NOT the police dept who released the news, it was the newspaper, shortly after this was printed, the judge ordered a gag order put in place!! I suggest you think your thoughts over before posting such offending comments!

David, according to trusted sources, the kid shows signs of being a sociopath, no amount of help, counseling etc would ever help him...he's what is known as a "genetic criminal"...it's in his genetic makeup.


I apologize about wording that the way I did....it was uncalled for on my part. It's frustrating that with a long narrative like the one above already made public about many intimate details of this case, that the jury pool will likely be tainted because people will already have made up ther minds regarding that child's guilt, innocence, or lack of responsibility for the murder. I have nothing but respect for the men and women who serve on our police forces across the US, but it upsets me when a little mistake-whether it's caused by sloppy police work or an overzealous media-puts that hard work in jeopardy.

A correct verdict will be needed if there is any hope at all for this child....without writing off his soul at the age of eight but also without just letting him go to potentially kill again someday...perhaps decades....from now.



Apology accepted, thank you!

I fully understand your position on this matter...I tend to agree with you somewhat. As the story stated, the young man was first thought to be a victim, not the perp. hence the reason no Miranda rights were read, they stopped the interview towards the end when the detectives discovered he was indeed, the perp. I, unfortunately deal with this media outlet on major crime scenes I investigate/process...they are THE most slanted paper on the planet I swear!

The matter of the jury pool should it come to that...it amazes me in todays world, there are people who haven't a clue as to what is happening around them, most are too busy to pay attention, which in my opinion, is partially to blame for the kids (not this particular young man) behavior. With these hard economic times we are going through and will likely to continue, it is hard to make ends meet and the parents have to work even longer and harder since the days of the 1920's. I am fortunate to have both of my kids grown, I would NOT want to be in the shoes of a LOT of young families just starting out. Back on track here...Navajo County is a HUGE county with a HUGE pool to pull jurors from, most live on the Navajo Reservation where electricty is a luxury, not a given and sadly, the rate of illetiracy runs high.

The young man is expected to go before the judge on Tuesday for his compatency hearing, should be interesting, stay tuned!
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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#24 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:30 pm

azsnowman wrote:
Apology accepted, thank you!

I fully understand your position on this matter...I tend to agree with you somewhat. As the story stated, the young man was first thought to be a victim, not the perp. hence the reason no Miranda rights were read, they stopped the interview towards the end when the detectives discovered he was indeed, the perp. I, unfortunately deal with this media outlet on major crime scenes I investigate/process...they are THE most slanted paper on the planet I swear!

The matter of the jury pool should it come to that...it amazes me in todays world, there are people who haven't a clue as to what is happening around them, most are too busy to pay attention, which in my opinion, is partially to blame for the kids (not this particular young man) behavior. With these hard economic times we are going through and will likely to continue, it is hard to make ends meet and the parents have to work even longer and harder since the days of the 1920's. I am fortunate to have both of my kids grown, I would NOT want to be in the shoes of a LOT of young families just starting out. Back on track here...Navajo County is a HUGE county with a HUGE pool to pull jurors from, most live on the Navajo Reservation where electricty is a luxury, not a given and sadly, the rate of illetiracy runs high.

The young man is expected to go before the judge on Tuesday for his compatency hearing, should be interesting, stay tuned!


I heard Indian territory is rather complex. If another Indians kill another Indian, the FBI gets involved. If an Indian kills a non-Indian, the local police is involved. Is that true? I know Indian territory law is different from non-Indian territory law. I also read that drug addiction is a HUGE problem in the Indian community, especially methamphetamine use. The meth epidemic is much worse than the crack epidemic.
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#25 Postby azsnowman » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:26 pm

Ya know...I will defend my Brothers in Blue to the end of time but SOMETIMES, even "I" have to wonder!! WHY IN HADES did they release this INTERVIEW :x

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/19/boy ... index.html
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#26 Postby Ptarmigan » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:06 pm

azsnowman wrote:Ya know...I will defend my Brothers in Blue to the end of time but SOMETIMES, even "I" have to wonder!! WHY IN HADES did they release this INTERVIEW :x

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/19/boy ... index.html


That compromises the investigation.
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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#27 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:22 am

Supposedly it had to be released because it was "public record". Since when did film of a police interrogation become public record?
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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#28 Postby x-y-no » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:01 am

vbhoutex wrote:Supposedly it had to be released because it was "public record". Since when did film of a police interrogation become public record?


Yeah, that's just bizarre. Of course you have to give the whole thing to the defense attorney, but I've never heard of this. After all, lots of very personal stuff comes up in interrogations - stuff that's nobody's business outside of the course of the investigation. I would think this kind of policy (if this is indeed their policy) would be a severe bar to getting witnesses to cooperate with the police.
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Re: HANG 'em!! I CANNOT believe THIS!

#29 Postby Ptarmigan » Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:53 pm

Considering there was a minor involved, I am surprised they released it to begin with. Yes, I know it is public record, but like I said it could compromise the investigation.
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