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al Qaeda working on bubonic plague as bio-weapon?

#1 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:31 am

al Qaeda working on bubonic plague as bio-weapon?

On Jan. 18, the British tabloid newspaper The Sun reported that some 40 al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) members died from an outbreak of the plague in the Tizi Ouzou province of Algeria. According to The Sun, the epidemic forced the group to turn its base into a mass grave and flee. Other sources such as the Washington Times have picked up on the story and are reporting that U.S. government sources say the incident occurred but have not confirmed the number of deaths or the agent involved in causing them.

Stratfor is carefully watching these reports to see if first, they are true (remember that the first story is quite often not the correct story), and second, precisely what occurred, in an attempt to determine if this was a natural outbreak of plague, or if it was an instance of the group experimenting with biological warfare.

Plague (sometimes referred to as the Black Death) is a naturally occurring disease that is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. This bacterium is found in rodents and fleas that infest them and exists in many parts of the world, including the western United States. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are some 1,000 to 3,000 cases of plague diagnosed in humans every year; between five and 15 of those cases occur in the United States.

Y. pestis can infect humans in three ways. The bacteria cause pneumonic plague when inhaled, though pneumonic plague can also occur when plague bacteria from another form of transmission infect the lungs. Bubonic plague results when the bacteria enter through a break in the skin (such as a flea bite), and septicemic plague occurs when the bacteria multiply in the victim’s blood (usually after being infected by one of the other types). In general, a flea bite is the primary form of infection, and if the infection is left untreated, it can evolve into a case of pneumonic or septicemic plague.

Bubonic and septicemic plagues are not normally spread from person to person. Pneumonic plague can be contagious if a person inhales respiratory droplets containing the bacteria from an infected person, which usually requires close contact with the infected individual. Y. pestis is a fragile bacterium and does not last long in sunlight or after it is dried. Plague is treatable with antibiotics, which are especially effective if administered early. Wearing a simple surgical mask can protect a person from pneumonic plague infection.

Algeria is one of the many areas where plague occurs naturally, and the country experiences periodic outbreaks of the disease. In 2003, there was an outbreak of plague in Algeria’s Oran province. In that outbreak, there were 11 confirmed and seven suspected cases of plague. All the cases in that episode were bubonic, indicating it was likely spread by fleas.

Plague has long been of interest as a biological warfare weapon, from the reports of Tatars catapulting plague-infected bodies at Genoese sailors in the City of Caffa in the Crimea in the 14th century, to Japan’s efforts to drop clay pots of plague-infected fleas over Manchuria, to the Soviet weapons programs during the Cold War (and perhaps beyond.) While the Tatars and Japanese used the bubonic form of the plague, according to former Soviet scientist Ken Alibek, the Soviet program focused on an aerosolized form of the bacterium designed to cause pneumonic plague.




As an aside, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is not as cool as the original name of this terrorist group, The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat. I like that preaching and combat part. Salafi is an Islamic sect closely related with the ruling Wahabbi Muslims of Saudi Arabia. Wahabbism is actually a form of Salafi (those who follow the examples of the first five generations after Mohammad) and named for the Salafist Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, whose alliance with the nomadic warriors of the Saud tribe allowed the overthrow of the Hashemite monarchy in Arabia.
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#2 Postby coriolis » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:44 pm

It doesn't sound like it would be a terribly effective weapon of mass idestruction.
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#3 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:20 pm

coriolis wrote:It doesn't sound like it would be a terribly effective weapon of mass idestruction.



If you can infect 20 or 30 willing carriers with pneumonic plague right a few hours before they board flights to various big cities in the US and Europe and Asia, coughing on the planes and infecting fellow travellers, you could probably get a fair number sick, and since death comes within a couple of days of infection, the first wave of the sick wouldn't be diagnosed in time for life saving antibiotics.
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Re: al Qaeda working on bubonic plague as bio-weapon?

#4 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:02 pm

Well, if that's what the 40 were working on before they died of it, that's a DARN SHAME!!! :roll:
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#5 Postby Chacor » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:53 am

The Sun is absolute rubbish and I'm surprised people actually believe what they report.
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#6 Postby gtalum » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:55 pm

Ed Mahmoud wrote:If you can infect 20 or 30 willing carriers with pneumonic plague right a few hours before they board flights to various big cities in the US and Europe and Asia, coughing on the planes and infecting fellow travellers, you could probably get a fair number sick, and since death comes within a couple of days of infection, the first wave of the sick wouldn't be diagnosed in time for life saving antibiotics.


Not exactly. It takes 7 days to kill half of the infected, if left untreated. The symptoms of bubonic plague are pretty unique, and easily identifiable. Further, bubonic plague responds to several antibiotics, so treatment is not particularly difficult. It would be an extremely inefficient weapon of terror.
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#7 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:40 pm

gtalum wrote:
Ed Mahmoud wrote:If you can infect 20 or 30 willing carriers with pneumonic plague right a few hours before they board flights to various big cities in the US and Europe and Asia, coughing on the planes and infecting fellow travellers, you could probably get a fair number sick, and since death comes within a couple of days of infection, the first wave of the sick wouldn't be diagnosed in time for life saving antibiotics.


Not exactly. It takes 7 days to kill half of the infected, if left untreated. The symptoms of bubonic plague are pretty unique, and easily identifiable. Further, bubonic plague responds to several antibiotics, so treatment is not particularly difficult. It would be an extremely inefficient weapon of terror.



You are aware that the same bacteria is transmitted several different ways. The most common, and slowest spreading, is via flea bites. The pneumonic (airborne transmitted) plague doesn't present immediately with swollen lymph nodes like the more common plague.

Quoth the CDC

With pneumonic plague, the first signs of illness are fever, headache, weakness, and rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough, and sometimes bloody or watery sputum. The pneumonia progresses for 2 to 4 days and may cause respiratory failure and shock. Without early treatment, patients may die.

Early treatment of pneumonic plague is essential. To reduce the chance of death, antibiotics must be given within 24 hours of first symptoms. Streptomycin, gentamicin, the tetracyclines, and chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague.

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#8 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:56 pm

gtalum wrote:
Ed Mahmoud wrote:If you can infect 20 or 30 willing carriers with pneumonic plague right a few hours before they board flights to various big cities in the US and Europe and Asia, coughing on the planes and infecting fellow travellers, you could probably get a fair number sick, and since death comes within a couple of days of infection, the first wave of the sick wouldn't be diagnosed in time for life saving antibiotics.


Not exactly. It takes 7 days to kill half of the infected, if left untreated. The symptoms of bubonic plague are pretty unique, and easily identifiable. Further, bubonic plague responds to several antibiotics, so treatment is not particularly difficult. It would be an extremely inefficient weapon of terror.


Gtalum,

The article stated Pneumonic Plague, which kills about 95% of the victims in about 2 days. It is also easily transmitted from person to person
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#9 Postby Ptarmigan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:08 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
gtalum wrote:
Ed Mahmoud wrote:If you can infect 20 or 30 willing carriers with pneumonic plague right a few hours before they board flights to various big cities in the US and Europe and Asia, coughing on the planes and infecting fellow travellers, you could probably get a fair number sick, and since death comes within a couple of days of infection, the first wave of the sick wouldn't be diagnosed in time for life saving antibiotics.


Not exactly. It takes 7 days to kill half of the infected, if left untreated. The symptoms of bubonic plague are pretty unique, and easily identifiable. Further, bubonic plague responds to several antibiotics, so treatment is not particularly difficult. It would be an extremely inefficient weapon of terror.


Gtalum,

The article stated Pneumonic Plague, which kills about 95% of the victims in about 2 days. It is also easily transmitted from person to person


How about close to 100% mortality rate for pneumonic plague? It is very contagious, which is one reason why people with bubonic plague are quarantined, even though it does not spread person to person that easily.
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#10 Postby Squarethecircle » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:48 pm

Given that it is the least common form of plague, I would imagine the pneumonic strain is rather difficult to get a hold of.

There's also a problem with practicality - every time in the last century that plague has broken out, it has been rigorously and successfully quarantined.

There are also much more practical methods of creating an epidemic. This is why those few remaining smallpox freezers are being treated with such care (and those that the WHO do not know the location of are being sought after rather rigorously).

The main downside of creating an epidemic in the United States, however, (and this is the kicker) is that once the US is infected, the world gets infected as well. Killing your own people is not a very good way to fight for your ideals, no matter how extreme they may be.
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#11 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:35 am

Ptarmigan wrote:
How about close to 100% mortality rate for pneumonic plague? It is very contagious, which is one reason why people with bubonic plague are quarantined, even though it does not spread person to person that easily.


About 95%.

Septisemic plague kills nearly 100% of its victimes and only in a few hours after initial infection. However, it USUALLY is a secondary form of plague and is NOT easily transmitted between people

I believe septisemic plague is the least common. Many of the plague deaths during the middle ages likely were Pneumonic due to the rapid spread of the disease. Bubonic would not have spread nearly that fast
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#12 Postby somethingfunny » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:02 am

Squarethecircle wrote: ........
The main downside of creating an epidemic in the United States, however, (and this is the kicker) is that once the US is infected, the world gets infected as well. Killing your own people is not a very good way to fight for your ideals, no matter how extreme they may be.


This needs repeating: The goal of Islamic fanaticism is ARMAGGEDDON and the rise of the Islamic Caliphate. The "righteous" will be spared.

The MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) philosophy has no bearing if Al Qaeda gets any sort of WMDs.
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#13 Postby gtalum » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:59 am

My bad, I thought I read bubonic, not pneumonic.
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