Ben was just making sure that Locke got people on the island
Besides, Locke was compromised by Windmore, and we all know how evil Windmore is. If one killed your daughter... I'm sure you would not look to fondly of that person's associates
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There needed to be a filler here -and it was a very good filler. I've seen people say that it was underwhelming and quickly paced and predictable, but that doesn't make any sense, because it was overhyped, happened in exactly that amount of time (it seemed longer when it was being talked about, which is why it was weird to see it all go by in about a day), and WE ALREADY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN (I mean, come on!). Abaddon will be missed, and his death is the biggest problem with this episode. Other than that, it was a nice change from the LOST that we've been seeing in the past few outings.
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I thought I was confused on time last week, until last night's episode.
If someone could post a simple - ha! - timeline, taking us to when Jack read Locke/Bentham's obit in the paper to all the events they flashed back to last night, that would be helpful.
For example, Hurley was surprised Locke was alive again. So, how much time has passed since Hurley learned Locke/Bentham died to when Locke/Bentham visited him at the hospital?
Same with Sayid. He mentioned working for Ben for 2 years but now he was volunteering for an organization like Habitat for Humanity. So it was 1 more year I'm guessing but Sayid wasn't surprised Locke was alive. Guess he hadn't learned of the obit?
Last week was just an awesome episode but this week's, was even more confusing!
Thanks. I'll post the usually thorough TV Guide review in a bit. *Edit* Wow, it's very thorough, read my next post!
If someone could post a simple - ha! - timeline, taking us to when Jack read Locke/Bentham's obit in the paper to all the events they flashed back to last night, that would be helpful.
For example, Hurley was surprised Locke was alive again. So, how much time has passed since Hurley learned Locke/Bentham died to when Locke/Bentham visited him at the hospital?
Same with Sayid. He mentioned working for Ben for 2 years but now he was volunteering for an organization like Habitat for Humanity. So it was 1 more year I'm guessing but Sayid wasn't surprised Locke was alive. Guess he hadn't learned of the obit?
Last week was just an awesome episode but this week's, was even more confusing!
Thanks. I'll post the usually thorough TV Guide review in a bit. *Edit* Wow, it's very thorough, read my next post!
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Lost Episode Recap: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
Feb 25, 2009 09:25 PM ET by Mickey O'Connor
Namaste! Wednesday's episode of Lost fills in the time gap between when Locke leaves the island with Christian Shephard's help via frozen donkey wheel to the time when "Jeremy Bentham" dies. We see Locke's unsuccessful attempts to convince Sayid, Kate, Hurley and Jack to return to the island. Plus, we have new Others! Like Ben and Juliet before them, the sinister, clearheaded Caesar and Ilana have a mission, it seems, but they're unlikely to be forthcoming about it any time soon, what with all the pointed questioning and firearms. I also have a few theories! So let's get to "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," shall we?
SHARP-DRESSED MAN
We open on Caesar rifling through a Dharma office. He doesn't seem satisfied with the old copies of Life magazine and the random papers bearing notations about time and space, but when he finds a gun strapped to the underside of the desk, that puts a smile on his face. Ilana is there too, and though there's a suspicious vibe between them, they appear to be working toward the same goal. He tosses her a flashlight (or is it?). They exposit that Roxanne was scouting just south of here, that there's a very large group, and that they found a man in a suit.
On the beach, Suit Man is revealed to be a very-much-alive John Locke, and he's surrounded by a very large group indeed. What, did they stock the plane with New Others? I could have sworn they were the only ones on the plane last week, but you are all smarter than me, and saw other Others. The group on the beach found some boats, but one is missing because "the pilot" and "some woman" (I'll explain the need for quotes below) took off in one. The next morning, John reveals to Ilana that he remembers dying.
HORSE WITH NO NAME
Whoosh! We're back to the scene when John left the island, and like Ben before him, he is spit out into the Tunisian desert, gruesome leg injury intact. (So yeah, it's not a spike sticking out of his leg, it's a — heave! — bone.) Locke sees that there are surveillance cameras, and in short order, a convenient band of Bedouins arrives to ferry lame Locke off to a hospital. (For what it's worth, their truck's license plate reads "342, something in Arabic, 6346." Loosely translated, I believe it says "Carlton and Damon own your asses until 2010, suckers!")
Meanwhile, back at Tunisia General, the mysterious Matthew Abaddon is there! A painful-looking procedure — which includes sedation, biting down on a stick and the nausea-inducing realignment of the stray bone — render Locke unconscious. When he comes to, Charles Widmore is there, just like that. "Nice to see you again, John," he says, which sends my mind reeling about how the Lostaways actually are changing history, no matter what Daniel Faraday says. Widmore remembers meeting Locke when he was just 17 (an event that Locke remembers happening four days ago), but it's unclear if Rousseau remembered Jin, since she was nuttier than a fruitcake.
It's at this point that I wonder, if Widmore had all his secret-squirrel cams in place, why didn't he immediately apprehend Ben when he took his similar trip through the "exit"? It's possible that he set up the cameras after Ben snuck out, whenever that was, since we've now discovered that time passes in radically different ways on and off the island. A matter of days after the island moved, three years have elapsed in the outside world. So who knows when Ben actually arrived, right?
It's also at this point that I pick up a figurative stick and draw a figurative line in the figurative sand — figuratively speaking. On one side is Charles Widmore; on the other is Benjamin Linus. Choose a side, people, because it appears that it's these opposing nemeses who will define the remainder of the series. As difficult as Darlton has made this choice, I'm thinking you'll agree with me when I say that it's making me nuttier than Rousseau to not know who to believe.
Widmore exposits that Ben had him exiled, and tricked him into leaving the island. "I was their leader," Widmore reveals. Locke, in turn, reveals that Ben had no influence on his decision to leave the island, that he chose to leave, which makes me laugh heartily.
After all, Locke's mystical frame of mind is such that his gullibility knows no bounds. Think for a second about all the dubious people that John has chosen to believe: his father; those drug dealers and that grifter; Matthew Abaddon; a spectral Walt; Ben; Mr. Eko; Richard; Daniel Faraday; and Christian, to name several. He hasn't made a single decision without someone telling him that it's his destiny or whatever. It's at this point that I have to re-emphasize that Darlton is messing with us, presenting us with one unreliable source after another.
Widmore tells Locke that the Oceanic 6 lied about what happened. He, as Ben did to Jack a few weeks ago, tells Locke that he has to convince them all to go back, which Locke already knows, but wonders why Widmore would be working toward the same goal as, say, Ben. "Because there's a war coming, John, and if you're not back on the island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win," he drops like Jughead. Feel free to speculate who the imminent warring factions might be. For now, I'm going to make like Switzerland and sit back and listen.
It's Widmore that sets Locke up with his alias, and jokes that he named him Jeremy Bentham after the British philosopher since his parents obviously had a similar sense of humor. He gives him an international phone, a dossier containing the Oceanic 6's whereabouts and the services of a chauffeur, Abaddon. "What makes you think I'm so special?" Locke asks Widmore. "Because you are," he replies, which isn't a very inspiring send-off.
ON THE ROAD AGAIN
First stop: Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, where Sayid is working with the selfless folks of Build Our World erecting houses or something. He tells John he was manipulated by Ben, and that Nadia was murdered nine months after they were rescued. So he says no, he is not going back.
Next stop: New York, New York, the city so nice they named it twice, where Locke finds Walt Lloyd, Michael's son, who is all growed up. "The boy's gotten big," Abaddon says, and we all laugh with the producers' little wink at Malcolm David Kelly's inconvenient growth spurt. There's a nice moment where you are meant to remember the heartwarming rapport the pair shared back in the day, and it makes me realize how far we've all come.
Walt reveals that he isn't surprised to see Locke because he's been dreaming about him, specifically him on the island wearing a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him (uh-oh, that sounds familiar). Locke lies and tells Walt that last he heard, Michael was on a freighter near the island. "The boy has been through enough," Locke tells Abaddon when his driver chides him for not being very good at the old recruiting racket. It's kind of sweet, but the fact remains that Locke is 0-for-2. Oh, also, Ben is there tailing Locke and Abaddon.
Next stop: Santa Rosa, Calif., where Locke has a funny exchange with Hurley. "So you didn't make it. It's cool, no biggie," Hurley says, obviously fully adjusted to his dead-seeing abilities at this point. Surprise! Hurley is not going back to the island, and when he realizes that creepy Abaddon is with Locke, he freaks out and runs away. 0-for-3, dude.
"What exactly do you do for Mr. Widmore?" Locke asks Abaddon, who reminds John that they've met before, when Abaddon-as-hospital-orderly convinced Locke to go on a walkabout in Australia. Locke remembers. "I help people get to where they need to get to, John," Abaddon responds ominously.
Next stop: Los Angeles, where Kate is all: N-O. For added effect, she belittles John. "I think about you sometimes. I think about how desperate you were to stay on that island, and then I realized, it was all because you didn't love anybody," she spits. Locke tells her about Helen, but Kate is still all: Nein, Non, Nay, Negatory, Nyet.
Next stop: Santa Monica, Calif., where Abaddon takes Locke to Helen's grave. Bummer. Abaddon says that she died of a brain aneurysm, and that she's where she's meant to be, and nothing Locke could have done would have changed that. Maybe this show has heightened my sense of paranoia, but I have a feeling that this whole scenario might have been staged for Locke's benefit, and that Helen is actually married to an orthodontist in San Luis Obispo or something, since "reunited and it feels so good" would be an unwelcome distraction to Widmore's Operation Go Baaack.
At this point, Abaddon is shot, Pulp Fiction-style, splat, all over the windshield, and appears to be dead. (I say appears because, well, it is Lost after all, and after speaking with Lance Reddick last week, I have bigger ideas about Matthew Abaddon, ideas that a simple bullet cannot slay. I mean, the guy's last name isn't Smith.) A suddenly nimble Locke hops into the front seat and burns rubber. Just as he's about to make a clean getaway, he gets in a car accident, and he's off to the hospital again!
Final stop: Jack's hospital, and obviously the good doc isn't happy to see his faith-blathering nemesis. They argue about fate vs. probability like they're at a meeting of the Tight-Ass Pretentious Philosophers Club, but to no avail. Jack's answer to the "lonely old man" is no, even after John tells him that his dead dad says hey.
SUICIDE IS PAINLESS
Then we see Locke write his fateful note to Jack. He throws the phone away, and unpacks the electrical cord and tools he picked up at Suicide Depot, makes a really weak-looking noose, and... there's a knock at the door, and it's Ben.
A clearly frantic Ben convinces Locke to get down from his perch, and they chat for a bit, allowing us to get Ben's side of this convoluted story. Ben says that he killed Abaddon because it was only a matter of time before he killed Locke. He reveals that Widmore is using Locke, and that Widmore is the reason that Ben moved the island. "I had to keep him away so you could lead," he offers, and my BS detector starts beeping.
"There is no helping me; I'm a failure," Locke whines. "Couldn't get a single one of them to come back." Ben, seeing an opportunity to appeal to Locke's ego, echoes Widmore's assertions that Locke is special. He also tells him that Jack booked a ticket to Sydney, which I think we're supposed to understand is the beginning of Jack's "try to crash on the island" plan that Sad Beardo Jack undertook at the end of Season 2.
Ben suggests that they try talking to Sun, and John (foolishly?) reveals that Jin is alive, tells him about the wedding ring, and lets it slip that Eloise Hawking is the person who can help them get back to the island. "Do you know her?" John asks. "Yes, John, I know her," Ben replies, and with the reflexes of a jungle cat, strangles and kills Locke dispassionately.
In the next scene, Michael Emerson channels Martha Stewart-as-CSI, and stages a suicide scene so real, so devoid of any conflicting evidence, it's no wonder the newspapers didn't reveal Jeremy Bentham's cause of death. "I'll miss you, John; I really will," Ben says as he departs the scene of the crime. These final words make me wonder if Ben actually believes that returning to the island will resurrect Locke, or if he offed him so that he could regain control of The Others once they return.
BLINDED BY THE LIGHT
Back to the "present" (ha-ha) on the island, John tells Caesar about the Dharma Initiative, and that he was on the island for 100 days and then came back. Since Locke is good at saying puzzling things, Caesar has a puzzle for him. He explains that he saw some people — including Hurley — disappear from the plane when that white light flashed.
Here's a thought: Up until this point, one could assume that once whatever happened on board Ajira Flight 316, all the survivors would end up in the same place — or rather, at the same time. But what if the Oceanic 6 operates under different rules? What if Kate, Jack, Sun, Sayid and Hurley all flashed back to the 1970s, as their meeting last week with Jin would seem to indicate, and all the others on the plane — Ben, Locke, Lapidus, our new friends Caesar and Ilana — flashed somewhere else in time entirely?
Although Lapidus is essentially the secret seventh member of the Oceanic 6 (like Stu Sutcliffe to the Beatles), he wasn't in the original crash, which would negate his requirement to participate in the "make everything seem like it was before" plan. And while Ilana reports that "the pilot" took one of the boats, we all know that every plane has two pilots. What do you think? I really like the idea, but at this point, I'm not sure what stranding these two groups in time would accomplish, narratively speaking.
Locke, on the other hand, doesn't need my stinkin' theory. He says he thinks he might know how he came to be there, but that he has to find his friends. Caesar says the long-gone pilot has the passenger manifest, but also that there are other injured survivors. And... hello! There's Ben among them, all bloodied as usual. "You know him?" Caesar asks. "Yeah, he's the man who killed me," Locke replies. Thump!
NEXT WEEK!
ABC apparently doesn't buy my two-separate-flashes theory, as there Sun and Ben are in the same shot. Damn! They also tease what appears to be a Sawyer-Kate reunion, but is surely not, it being a misleading network promo and all.
What did you think? More importantly, who do you believe is telling the truth amidst all this nonsense? Was it good to see Abaddon and Walt again? And for whom do you think our new friends Caesar and Ilana are working — and to what end?
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Lost Episode Recap: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
Feb 25, 2009 09:25 PM ET by Mickey O'Connor
Namaste! Wednesday's episode of Lost fills in the time gap between when Locke leaves the island with Christian Shephard's help via frozen donkey wheel to the time when "Jeremy Bentham" dies. We see Locke's unsuccessful attempts to convince Sayid, Kate, Hurley and Jack to return to the island. Plus, we have new Others! Like Ben and Juliet before them, the sinister, clearheaded Caesar and Ilana have a mission, it seems, but they're unlikely to be forthcoming about it any time soon, what with all the pointed questioning and firearms. I also have a few theories! So let's get to "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," shall we?
SHARP-DRESSED MAN
We open on Caesar rifling through a Dharma office. He doesn't seem satisfied with the old copies of Life magazine and the random papers bearing notations about time and space, but when he finds a gun strapped to the underside of the desk, that puts a smile on his face. Ilana is there too, and though there's a suspicious vibe between them, they appear to be working toward the same goal. He tosses her a flashlight (or is it?). They exposit that Roxanne was scouting just south of here, that there's a very large group, and that they found a man in a suit.
On the beach, Suit Man is revealed to be a very-much-alive John Locke, and he's surrounded by a very large group indeed. What, did they stock the plane with New Others? I could have sworn they were the only ones on the plane last week, but you are all smarter than me, and saw other Others. The group on the beach found some boats, but one is missing because "the pilot" and "some woman" (I'll explain the need for quotes below) took off in one. The next morning, John reveals to Ilana that he remembers dying.
HORSE WITH NO NAME
Whoosh! We're back to the scene when John left the island, and like Ben before him, he is spit out into the Tunisian desert, gruesome leg injury intact. (So yeah, it's not a spike sticking out of his leg, it's a — heave! — bone.) Locke sees that there are surveillance cameras, and in short order, a convenient band of Bedouins arrives to ferry lame Locke off to a hospital. (For what it's worth, their truck's license plate reads "342, something in Arabic, 6346." Loosely translated, I believe it says "Carlton and Damon own your asses until 2010, suckers!")
Meanwhile, back at Tunisia General, the mysterious Matthew Abaddon is there! A painful-looking procedure — which includes sedation, biting down on a stick and the nausea-inducing realignment of the stray bone — render Locke unconscious. When he comes to, Charles Widmore is there, just like that. "Nice to see you again, John," he says, which sends my mind reeling about how the Lostaways actually are changing history, no matter what Daniel Faraday says. Widmore remembers meeting Locke when he was just 17 (an event that Locke remembers happening four days ago), but it's unclear if Rousseau remembered Jin, since she was nuttier than a fruitcake.
It's at this point that I wonder, if Widmore had all his secret-squirrel cams in place, why didn't he immediately apprehend Ben when he took his similar trip through the "exit"? It's possible that he set up the cameras after Ben snuck out, whenever that was, since we've now discovered that time passes in radically different ways on and off the island. A matter of days after the island moved, three years have elapsed in the outside world. So who knows when Ben actually arrived, right?
It's also at this point that I pick up a figurative stick and draw a figurative line in the figurative sand — figuratively speaking. On one side is Charles Widmore; on the other is Benjamin Linus. Choose a side, people, because it appears that it's these opposing nemeses who will define the remainder of the series. As difficult as Darlton has made this choice, I'm thinking you'll agree with me when I say that it's making me nuttier than Rousseau to not know who to believe.
Widmore exposits that Ben had him exiled, and tricked him into leaving the island. "I was their leader," Widmore reveals. Locke, in turn, reveals that Ben had no influence on his decision to leave the island, that he chose to leave, which makes me laugh heartily.
After all, Locke's mystical frame of mind is such that his gullibility knows no bounds. Think for a second about all the dubious people that John has chosen to believe: his father; those drug dealers and that grifter; Matthew Abaddon; a spectral Walt; Ben; Mr. Eko; Richard; Daniel Faraday; and Christian, to name several. He hasn't made a single decision without someone telling him that it's his destiny or whatever. It's at this point that I have to re-emphasize that Darlton is messing with us, presenting us with one unreliable source after another.
Widmore tells Locke that the Oceanic 6 lied about what happened. He, as Ben did to Jack a few weeks ago, tells Locke that he has to convince them all to go back, which Locke already knows, but wonders why Widmore would be working toward the same goal as, say, Ben. "Because there's a war coming, John, and if you're not back on the island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win," he drops like Jughead. Feel free to speculate who the imminent warring factions might be. For now, I'm going to make like Switzerland and sit back and listen.
It's Widmore that sets Locke up with his alias, and jokes that he named him Jeremy Bentham after the British philosopher since his parents obviously had a similar sense of humor. He gives him an international phone, a dossier containing the Oceanic 6's whereabouts and the services of a chauffeur, Abaddon. "What makes you think I'm so special?" Locke asks Widmore. "Because you are," he replies, which isn't a very inspiring send-off.
ON THE ROAD AGAIN
First stop: Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, where Sayid is working with the selfless folks of Build Our World erecting houses or something. He tells John he was manipulated by Ben, and that Nadia was murdered nine months after they were rescued. So he says no, he is not going back.
Next stop: New York, New York, the city so nice they named it twice, where Locke finds Walt Lloyd, Michael's son, who is all growed up. "The boy's gotten big," Abaddon says, and we all laugh with the producers' little wink at Malcolm David Kelly's inconvenient growth spurt. There's a nice moment where you are meant to remember the heartwarming rapport the pair shared back in the day, and it makes me realize how far we've all come.
Walt reveals that he isn't surprised to see Locke because he's been dreaming about him, specifically him on the island wearing a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him (uh-oh, that sounds familiar). Locke lies and tells Walt that last he heard, Michael was on a freighter near the island. "The boy has been through enough," Locke tells Abaddon when his driver chides him for not being very good at the old recruiting racket. It's kind of sweet, but the fact remains that Locke is 0-for-2. Oh, also, Ben is there tailing Locke and Abaddon.
Next stop: Santa Rosa, Calif., where Locke has a funny exchange with Hurley. "So you didn't make it. It's cool, no biggie," Hurley says, obviously fully adjusted to his dead-seeing abilities at this point. Surprise! Hurley is not going back to the island, and when he realizes that creepy Abaddon is with Locke, he freaks out and runs away. 0-for-3, dude.
"What exactly do you do for Mr. Widmore?" Locke asks Abaddon, who reminds John that they've met before, when Abaddon-as-hospital-orderly convinced Locke to go on a walkabout in Australia. Locke remembers. "I help people get to where they need to get to, John," Abaddon responds ominously.
Next stop: Los Angeles, where Kate is all: N-O. For added effect, she belittles John. "I think about you sometimes. I think about how desperate you were to stay on that island, and then I realized, it was all because you didn't love anybody," she spits. Locke tells her about Helen, but Kate is still all: Nein, Non, Nay, Negatory, Nyet.
Next stop: Santa Monica, Calif., where Abaddon takes Locke to Helen's grave. Bummer. Abaddon says that she died of a brain aneurysm, and that she's where she's meant to be, and nothing Locke could have done would have changed that. Maybe this show has heightened my sense of paranoia, but I have a feeling that this whole scenario might have been staged for Locke's benefit, and that Helen is actually married to an orthodontist in San Luis Obispo or something, since "reunited and it feels so good" would be an unwelcome distraction to Widmore's Operation Go Baaack.
At this point, Abaddon is shot, Pulp Fiction-style, splat, all over the windshield, and appears to be dead. (I say appears because, well, it is Lost after all, and after speaking with Lance Reddick last week, I have bigger ideas about Matthew Abaddon, ideas that a simple bullet cannot slay. I mean, the guy's last name isn't Smith.) A suddenly nimble Locke hops into the front seat and burns rubber. Just as he's about to make a clean getaway, he gets in a car accident, and he's off to the hospital again!
Final stop: Jack's hospital, and obviously the good doc isn't happy to see his faith-blathering nemesis. They argue about fate vs. probability like they're at a meeting of the Tight-Ass Pretentious Philosophers Club, but to no avail. Jack's answer to the "lonely old man" is no, even after John tells him that his dead dad says hey.
SUICIDE IS PAINLESS
Then we see Locke write his fateful note to Jack. He throws the phone away, and unpacks the electrical cord and tools he picked up at Suicide Depot, makes a really weak-looking noose, and... there's a knock at the door, and it's Ben.
A clearly frantic Ben convinces Locke to get down from his perch, and they chat for a bit, allowing us to get Ben's side of this convoluted story. Ben says that he killed Abaddon because it was only a matter of time before he killed Locke. He reveals that Widmore is using Locke, and that Widmore is the reason that Ben moved the island. "I had to keep him away so you could lead," he offers, and my BS detector starts beeping.
"There is no helping me; I'm a failure," Locke whines. "Couldn't get a single one of them to come back." Ben, seeing an opportunity to appeal to Locke's ego, echoes Widmore's assertions that Locke is special. He also tells him that Jack booked a ticket to Sydney, which I think we're supposed to understand is the beginning of Jack's "try to crash on the island" plan that Sad Beardo Jack undertook at the end of Season 2.
Ben suggests that they try talking to Sun, and John (foolishly?) reveals that Jin is alive, tells him about the wedding ring, and lets it slip that Eloise Hawking is the person who can help them get back to the island. "Do you know her?" John asks. "Yes, John, I know her," Ben replies, and with the reflexes of a jungle cat, strangles and kills Locke dispassionately.
In the next scene, Michael Emerson channels Martha Stewart-as-CSI, and stages a suicide scene so real, so devoid of any conflicting evidence, it's no wonder the newspapers didn't reveal Jeremy Bentham's cause of death. "I'll miss you, John; I really will," Ben says as he departs the scene of the crime. These final words make me wonder if Ben actually believes that returning to the island will resurrect Locke, or if he offed him so that he could regain control of The Others once they return.
BLINDED BY THE LIGHT
Back to the "present" (ha-ha) on the island, John tells Caesar about the Dharma Initiative, and that he was on the island for 100 days and then came back. Since Locke is good at saying puzzling things, Caesar has a puzzle for him. He explains that he saw some people — including Hurley — disappear from the plane when that white light flashed.
Here's a thought: Up until this point, one could assume that once whatever happened on board Ajira Flight 316, all the survivors would end up in the same place — or rather, at the same time. But what if the Oceanic 6 operates under different rules? What if Kate, Jack, Sun, Sayid and Hurley all flashed back to the 1970s, as their meeting last week with Jin would seem to indicate, and all the others on the plane — Ben, Locke, Lapidus, our new friends Caesar and Ilana — flashed somewhere else in time entirely?
Although Lapidus is essentially the secret seventh member of the Oceanic 6 (like Stu Sutcliffe to the Beatles), he wasn't in the original crash, which would negate his requirement to participate in the "make everything seem like it was before" plan. And while Ilana reports that "the pilot" took one of the boats, we all know that every plane has two pilots. What do you think? I really like the idea, but at this point, I'm not sure what stranding these two groups in time would accomplish, narratively speaking.
Locke, on the other hand, doesn't need my stinkin' theory. He says he thinks he might know how he came to be there, but that he has to find his friends. Caesar says the long-gone pilot has the passenger manifest, but also that there are other injured survivors. And... hello! There's Ben among them, all bloodied as usual. "You know him?" Caesar asks. "Yeah, he's the man who killed me," Locke replies. Thump!
NEXT WEEK!
ABC apparently doesn't buy my two-separate-flashes theory, as there Sun and Ben are in the same shot. Damn! They also tease what appears to be a Sawyer-Kate reunion, but is surely not, it being a misleading network promo and all.
What did you think? More importantly, who do you believe is telling the truth amidst all this nonsense? Was it good to see Abaddon and Walt again? And for whom do you think our new friends Caesar and Ilana are working — and to what end?
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Thanks for the sliced pizza.
Anyone recognize the mountain landscape in the beach scene with Rousseau?
My guess would be
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Japan.jpg
it's unclear if Rousseau remembered Jin, since she was nuttier than a fruitcake.
Anyone recognize the mountain landscape in the beach scene with Rousseau?
My guess would be
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Japan.jpg
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Miss Mary wrote:I thought I was confused on time last week, until last night's episode.
If someone could post a simple - ha! - timeline, taking us to when Jack read Locke/Bentham's obit in the paper to all the events they flashed back to last night, that would be helpful.
For example, Hurley was surprised Locke was alive again. So, how much time has passed since Hurley learned Locke/Bentham died to when Locke/Bentham visited him at the hospital?
Same with Sayid. He mentioned working for Ben for 2 years but now he was volunteering for an organization like Habitat for Humanity. So it was 1 more year I'm guessing but Sayid wasn't surprised Locke was alive. Guess he hadn't learned of the obit?
Last week was just an awesome episode but this week's, was even more confusing!
Thanks. I'll post the usually thorough TV Guide review in a bit. *Edit* Wow, it's very thorough, read my next post!
All of this (off the island) occurred before they learned of Locke/Bentham's death because he hadn't died yet. It was showing what happened immediately after Locke left the island.
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SAWYER!!!! 
he cleans up good 
. . and the glasses . . . thud
Charlotte's mom? never mind there's Charlotte. .
go away Kate. .
he cleans up good . . and the glasses . . . thudCharlotte's mom? never mind there's Charlotte. .
go away Kate. .
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Interesting object that Paul had owned and Horace found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
Falcon-Hawk daisy hawkins I can't follow it whatever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
Falcon-Hawk daisy hawkins I can't follow it whatever.
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Re: TV: Lost - Season 5!!!!
Great episode.
Sawyer - who knew he'd make a great leader? Even if reluctantly.....LOL
Juliet - a mechanic? Stealing from Seth Meyers of SNL fame.......really? Really? LOL
Okay, so who's that baby supposed to turn out to be? We know it's a boy......come on Lost experts, give us your opinion on this burning question! Remember, it's 1974.....
So, they have homes again, food (did you see that spread Juliet was making?), showers, running water, beds, clothes (even if dorky Dharma uniforms)......
Speaking of which, I keep expecting them to do some quirky Dharma and Greg reference......cause I always think of that show when I hear the words Dharma Initiative!
LOL @ Sawyer's nicknames, Miles, aka "I see dead people", Faraday "Mad Scientist", Jin "...isn't exactly the best conversationalist".......3 years later, I predict Jin will be speaking great English by now....mark my words. When he sees Sun again, he'll say - I know English now! You don't have to teach me.....he he
Finally, Lost sure knows how to deliver an awesome, heart in your throat episode ending - I was crying! I will admit it, crying........
If Kate dallies with Sawyer again though, I will want to smack her. Because standing to her right is her soulmate! How can she even look at Sawyer romantically ever again when she's got Jack! We're talking Jack here.....okay, sorry had to get on my don't-let-them-give us another romantic triangle. But now we have Juliet invested with Jim LaFleur now too.....
It sure is complicated but this is why we love Lost! Right? LOL
Sawyer - who knew he'd make a great leader? Even if reluctantly.....LOL
Juliet - a mechanic? Stealing from Seth Meyers of SNL fame.......really? Really? LOL
Okay, so who's that baby supposed to turn out to be? We know it's a boy......come on Lost experts, give us your opinion on this burning question! Remember, it's 1974.....
So, they have homes again, food (did you see that spread Juliet was making?), showers, running water, beds, clothes (even if dorky Dharma uniforms)......
Speaking of which, I keep expecting them to do some quirky Dharma and Greg reference......cause I always think of that show when I hear the words Dharma Initiative!
LOL @ Sawyer's nicknames, Miles, aka "I see dead people", Faraday "Mad Scientist", Jin "...isn't exactly the best conversationalist".......3 years later, I predict Jin will be speaking great English by now....mark my words. When he sees Sun again, he'll say - I know English now! You don't have to teach me.....he he
Finally, Lost sure knows how to deliver an awesome, heart in your throat episode ending - I was crying! I will admit it, crying........
If Kate dallies with Sawyer again though, I will want to smack her. Because standing to her right is her soulmate! How can she even look at Sawyer romantically ever again when she's got Jack! We're talking Jack here.....okay, sorry had to get on my don't-let-them-give us another romantic triangle. But now we have Juliet invested with Jim LaFleur now too.....
It sure is complicated but this is why we love Lost! Right? LOL
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Oh no, I've given you that idea.....well Lost has been mentioned and parodied on so many others shows and movies (last one I caught was the new movie, "Zack and Miri make a ..... movie", can't finish that title!), it would be funny if they poked fun at that word Dharma. They've had all these other random mentions and connections, why not mention Dharma and Greg. LOL
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Re: TV: Lost - Season 5!!!!
Dude!
We have a rerun tonight.....yes I know, this rerun has been mentioned in this thread probably but Brent also reminded us in the what are you watching this winter thread. Thanks Brent.
However, it's still disappointing!
Lost fans are never happy, no matter what they do....he he
We have a rerun tonight.....yes I know, this rerun has been mentioned in this thread probably but Brent also reminded us in the what are you watching this winter thread. Thanks Brent.
However, it's still disappointing!
Lost fans are never happy, no matter what they do....he he
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Re: TV: Lost - Season 5!!!!
From TV Guide (excellent recap, catch us up to where Lost is currently, if you can figure that out!):
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Midseason-L ... 03938.aspx
Lost? Catch Up with Our Season 5 Refresher
Mar 12, 2009 12:41 AM ET by Mickey O'Connor 3 Comments
Lost
We're at the midpoint of Lost's fifth and penultimate season, and with no new episode this week, it's time to take a cleansing breath and see how far we've come. Let's examine the major plot points and revelations of each episode. Then, check out our burning questions about the first half of the season, and give us your two cents in the comments section.
"Because You Left"
The Gist In Los Angeles, Ben is attempting to get the Oceanic 6 to return to the island, where those left behind appear to be moving through time via "flashes" that started when Ben turned the frozen donkey wheel. After Daniel implants a "memory" in the on-island Desmond's head, 2005-Des springs into action to help his friends.
Revelations Daniel Faraday visited the Dharma Initiative in the 1970s. Locke learns he will have to die to save his friends. The flashes cause nose bleeds in some people.
"The Lie"
The Gist We learn why the Oceanic 6 lied. Ben and Jack work together to convince the rest of the Oceanic 6 to return. Hurley tells his mother that they lied. On the island, the Lostaways are attacked by a mysterious enemy's flaming arrows.
Revelations Mrs. Hawking (among others) is helping Ben assemble the Oceanic 6 in Los Angeles.
"Jughead"
The Gist With an assist from Charles Widmore, Desmond and Penny head to Oxford, England, and then Los Angeles to find Daniel Faraday's mother. Daniel helps the Others deal with an unstable nuclear warhead. Locke tells Richard Alpert that he will be his leader in the future. Charlotte collapses after one too many flashes.
Revelations Charles Widmore is Daniel Faraday's benefactor. Richard Alpert, a young Widmore and a young lady-Other named Ellie, who is probably Mrs. Hawking, were all on the island in 1954.
"The Little Prince"
The Gist Kate is on the run after attorneys seeking to prove Aaron's parentage visit her. Ben continues to try to get Hurley and Sayid to return to the island. Everyone on the island — except Daniel — starts getting bloody noses. During one flash, we see the moments when the light came on in the hatch and the moment when Aaron was born again. The Lostaways steal a Polynesian-style canoe they find on the beach, and are chased by a new, mysterious enemy.
Revelations It was Kate's idea to take custody of Aaron. Claire's mother has no idea that Aaron exists. Jin is alive on the island and he's in 1988 with Danielle Rousseau!
"This Place Is Death"
The Gist Ben convinces Sun to return to the island by telling her that Jin is alive. Jin hangs out with the French people for a while — that is, until the smoke monster and insanity kill all of them but Danielle Rousseau. Charlotte dies. Locke drags the other Lostaways to an abandoned wishing well. While he's descending into it, there's a flash and he falls to the bottom, where Christian Shephard helps him put the frozen donkey wheel back on its axis.
Revelations Charlotte lived on the island as a child as part of the Dharma Initiative. She left when her parents divorced. She remembers that Daniel met her when she was a little girl, and warned her that if she ever returned to the island, she'd die.
"316"
The Gist Desmond, Ben, Jack and Sun learn how to get back to the island from Mrs. Hawking. Jack visits his grandfather, Ray. Something happens to Kate (who is sans Aaron), Hurley and Sayid convince them to return to the island. They replicate the circumstances of the original Oceanic flight on Ajira Airways Flight 316. Ben boards at the last minute, and he's bloodied and bandaged. At some point during the flight, there's turbulence and what appears to be a flash. Hurley, Kate and Jack wake up on the island and bump into Jin, who is wearing a Dharma jumpsuit and driving a VW bus.
Revelations The island is always moving. Frank Lapidus is the pilot of the Ajira flight. Jack, Kate and Hurley have flashed back to the 1970s.
"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
The Gist We learn how Locke tried — and failed — to get Sayid, Hurley, Walt, Kate and Jack to return to the island with him. He was assisted by Charles Widmore and Matthew Abbadon, who served as Locke's chauffeur until Ben killed him. Since Richard has told him he's supposed to sacrifice himself for his friends, he attempts suicide, but is stopped by Ben, who promptly strangles him. Back on the island, Locke tells fellow survivors Caesar and Ilana about his past on the island. Caesar says he saw some people, including Hurley, disappear from the plane when the light flashed
Revelations Walt has dreams about Locke — and they aren't good ones. Locke did not commit suicide. Furthermore, he appears to have been resurrected back on the island. One group of people appears to have "flashed" from the plane; another appears to have crashed. Caesar and Ilana have a mysterious mission.
"LaFleur"
The Gist The Lostaways catch a glimpse of a gigantic ancient sculpture. Once the flashing stops, Daniel, Sawyer (aka LaFleur), Juliet, Miles and Jin join the Dharma Initiative in 1974, and live there for three years. Juliet and Sawyer kill a pair of Hostiles to save a woman named Amy. The Hostiles have killed Amy's husband, Paul. Sawyer brokers a deal with Richard Alpert to maintain the peace. Three years later, Amy is remarried to Horace Goodspeed and gives birth to their son — with Juliet's help. We see Charlotte as a little girl. Sawyer and Juliet are in love. Sawyer learns that Jin has found Jack, Kate and Hurley, and reunites with them.
Revelations Sawyer tells Goodspeed he's over Kate.
Our Current Burning Questions
1. Who are Daniel Faraday's mother and father?
2. Who are Charlotte's mother and father?
3. Did Ben go after Desmond and Penny? If so, are they (gulp) dead?
4. Where's Aaron?
5. Is Jack's grandfather, Ray, just a time-traveling Jack?
6. What exactly happened to the passengers of Ajira Airways Flight 316?
7. Who was shooting at the Lostaways from the canoe?
8. Now that they're all back on the island, is everyone in the same time period?
9. Why doesn't Richard age?
10. Why did the Hostiles want Paul's body?
11. Who did Amy give birth to?
12. Where are Rose and Bernard?
Got any bright ideas? Post them below. Namaste!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Midseason-L ... 03938.aspx
Lost? Catch Up with Our Season 5 Refresher
Mar 12, 2009 12:41 AM ET by Mickey O'Connor 3 Comments
Lost
We're at the midpoint of Lost's fifth and penultimate season, and with no new episode this week, it's time to take a cleansing breath and see how far we've come. Let's examine the major plot points and revelations of each episode. Then, check out our burning questions about the first half of the season, and give us your two cents in the comments section.
"Because You Left"
The Gist In Los Angeles, Ben is attempting to get the Oceanic 6 to return to the island, where those left behind appear to be moving through time via "flashes" that started when Ben turned the frozen donkey wheel. After Daniel implants a "memory" in the on-island Desmond's head, 2005-Des springs into action to help his friends.
Revelations Daniel Faraday visited the Dharma Initiative in the 1970s. Locke learns he will have to die to save his friends. The flashes cause nose bleeds in some people.
"The Lie"
The Gist We learn why the Oceanic 6 lied. Ben and Jack work together to convince the rest of the Oceanic 6 to return. Hurley tells his mother that they lied. On the island, the Lostaways are attacked by a mysterious enemy's flaming arrows.
Revelations Mrs. Hawking (among others) is helping Ben assemble the Oceanic 6 in Los Angeles.
"Jughead"
The Gist With an assist from Charles Widmore, Desmond and Penny head to Oxford, England, and then Los Angeles to find Daniel Faraday's mother. Daniel helps the Others deal with an unstable nuclear warhead. Locke tells Richard Alpert that he will be his leader in the future. Charlotte collapses after one too many flashes.
Revelations Charles Widmore is Daniel Faraday's benefactor. Richard Alpert, a young Widmore and a young lady-Other named Ellie, who is probably Mrs. Hawking, were all on the island in 1954.
"The Little Prince"
The Gist Kate is on the run after attorneys seeking to prove Aaron's parentage visit her. Ben continues to try to get Hurley and Sayid to return to the island. Everyone on the island — except Daniel — starts getting bloody noses. During one flash, we see the moments when the light came on in the hatch and the moment when Aaron was born again. The Lostaways steal a Polynesian-style canoe they find on the beach, and are chased by a new, mysterious enemy.
Revelations It was Kate's idea to take custody of Aaron. Claire's mother has no idea that Aaron exists. Jin is alive on the island and he's in 1988 with Danielle Rousseau!
"This Place Is Death"
The Gist Ben convinces Sun to return to the island by telling her that Jin is alive. Jin hangs out with the French people for a while — that is, until the smoke monster and insanity kill all of them but Danielle Rousseau. Charlotte dies. Locke drags the other Lostaways to an abandoned wishing well. While he's descending into it, there's a flash and he falls to the bottom, where Christian Shephard helps him put the frozen donkey wheel back on its axis.
Revelations Charlotte lived on the island as a child as part of the Dharma Initiative. She left when her parents divorced. She remembers that Daniel met her when she was a little girl, and warned her that if she ever returned to the island, she'd die.
"316"
The Gist Desmond, Ben, Jack and Sun learn how to get back to the island from Mrs. Hawking. Jack visits his grandfather, Ray. Something happens to Kate (who is sans Aaron), Hurley and Sayid convince them to return to the island. They replicate the circumstances of the original Oceanic flight on Ajira Airways Flight 316. Ben boards at the last minute, and he's bloodied and bandaged. At some point during the flight, there's turbulence and what appears to be a flash. Hurley, Kate and Jack wake up on the island and bump into Jin, who is wearing a Dharma jumpsuit and driving a VW bus.
Revelations The island is always moving. Frank Lapidus is the pilot of the Ajira flight. Jack, Kate and Hurley have flashed back to the 1970s.
"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
The Gist We learn how Locke tried — and failed — to get Sayid, Hurley, Walt, Kate and Jack to return to the island with him. He was assisted by Charles Widmore and Matthew Abbadon, who served as Locke's chauffeur until Ben killed him. Since Richard has told him he's supposed to sacrifice himself for his friends, he attempts suicide, but is stopped by Ben, who promptly strangles him. Back on the island, Locke tells fellow survivors Caesar and Ilana about his past on the island. Caesar says he saw some people, including Hurley, disappear from the plane when the light flashed
Revelations Walt has dreams about Locke — and they aren't good ones. Locke did not commit suicide. Furthermore, he appears to have been resurrected back on the island. One group of people appears to have "flashed" from the plane; another appears to have crashed. Caesar and Ilana have a mysterious mission.
"LaFleur"
The Gist The Lostaways catch a glimpse of a gigantic ancient sculpture. Once the flashing stops, Daniel, Sawyer (aka LaFleur), Juliet, Miles and Jin join the Dharma Initiative in 1974, and live there for three years. Juliet and Sawyer kill a pair of Hostiles to save a woman named Amy. The Hostiles have killed Amy's husband, Paul. Sawyer brokers a deal with Richard Alpert to maintain the peace. Three years later, Amy is remarried to Horace Goodspeed and gives birth to their son — with Juliet's help. We see Charlotte as a little girl. Sawyer and Juliet are in love. Sawyer learns that Jin has found Jack, Kate and Hurley, and reunites with them.
Revelations Sawyer tells Goodspeed he's over Kate.
Our Current Burning Questions
1. Who are Daniel Faraday's mother and father?
2. Who are Charlotte's mother and father?
3. Did Ben go after Desmond and Penny? If so, are they (gulp) dead?
4. Where's Aaron?
5. Is Jack's grandfather, Ray, just a time-traveling Jack?
6. What exactly happened to the passengers of Ajira Airways Flight 316?
7. Who was shooting at the Lostaways from the canoe?
8. Now that they're all back on the island, is everyone in the same time period?
9. Why doesn't Richard age?
10. Why did the Hostiles want Paul's body?
11. Who did Amy give birth to?
12. Where are Rose and Bernard?
Got any bright ideas? Post them below. Namaste!
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Re: TV: Lost - Season 5!!!!
What exactly happened to the passengers of Ajira Airways Flight 316?
Obviously they did not reach their destination. Problem seemed to be summed up in the note Jack read "Sorry you did not believe me".
Making sense of Lost is pretty much a creative process, your tempted to think "now, now none of that" at any subjective revelation.
I've been curious about the Egyptian symbols that have been popping up. When John visited Hurley at the institute Hurley was drawing what looked like a Sphinx. Then just before John created the final flash we saw the back side of the huge female statue, Looked like something you would see in an Egyptian glyph, Finally in last nights episode we saw an Ankh that Amy took from Paul's body which she put in her sock drawer?
The Egyptian ankh has been used by many modern musicians, groups like Kiss etc, etc but you need to go back to the original myths to find the truth of the symbols meanings. The Sphinx faced the rising sun on the horizon which was symbolized by the Ankh. All we need is a Scarab Beetle to explain the movement of the sun and we would have the whole Ra myth thing as part of the island story.
IMHO musicians like this ancient allegory because the sun rising and setting along with the measured change of the seasons resonates well. Look no further than our religious holidays.
Horace Goodspeed (the mathematician) is the father of Amy's new baby, but he didn't seem to be in any hurry to rush to his wife's side and be with her and his new son. This should be a joyous occasion especially since the women on the island usually die before the third trimester.
So why is Amys pregnancy different?
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