ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ANA (02L)

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#921 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:31 am

the patterns flown may not be the standard operational patterns
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#922 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:35 am

Derek,what do you mean when you say it may not be a standard operational patterns?
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#923 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:38 am

it means the flight patterns are tailored specifically for their research mission. That's why some of the central Atlantic patterns are not figure 4s for the P3
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#924 Postby chris_fit » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:47 am

Looks to me like ex TD2 has a nice blow up in the last several hours. If it persists I see no reason why this wouldn't be upgraded to TD or TS. Latest blowup is right over the center, so perhaps the shear has let up a little bit.
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#925 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:49 am

Well to its west the shear doesn't look quite so bad so its probably getting past the worst of it now, you can also tell by the slight shift in the shear vector as well this is occuring.

This is also what wil happen to 90L I think, struggle till about 40-45W then reach more favorable conditions.
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#926 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:52 am

KWT wrote:This is also what wil happen to 90L I think, struggle till about 40-45W then reach more favorable conditions.



Which is a perfect set-up for waiting until it gets closer to land to build up to its worst isn't it?
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#927 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:54 am

Figure 1. The remnants of Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

Tropical Depression Two may come back
Tropical Depression Two died yesterday, but may rise again. Satellite loops of the remnants of the storm show that heavy thunderstorms are again attempting a comeback near the axis of what is now a tropical wave.
However, dry air continues to interfere with the development of the thunderstorm activity, and moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots is also inhibiting the process. Wind shear over the remnants of TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C two days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that any re-development of the storm will be slow to occur. NHC has given the system a medium (30 - 50% chance) of becoming a tropical depression again by Sunday morning. Only one reliable model, the NOGAPS, is predicting regeneration of TD 2. The NOAA Hurricane Hunters are flying research missions into the remnants of TD 2 today and Saturday.
I'll have an update Saturday morning, or earlier, if significant developments occur.

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#928 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:58 am

I wonder whether we will have a code red for this soon?
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#929 Postby OuterBanker » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:00 am

TD2 just might yet become Ana. It looks better right now than it ever has and what is interesting is that the convection blow up is centered over the llc. That has not happened yet.
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#930 Postby wxman57 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:01 am

It looks better than 90L, and better than when it was classified as TD 2. So why isn't it a TD now?

Note that the upper low/trof to its NW (see WV loop) is likely enhancing the outflow and contributing to the current burst of convection. What happens after it passes the trof axis is the big question. Can it maintain the convection once it gets its engine started?
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#931 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:02 am

You are right 57,look at that.

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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#932 Postby artist » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:03 am

wxman57 wrote:It looks better than 90L, and better than when it was classified as TD 2. So why isn't it a TD now?

I have been wondering the same wxman57. They are flying research into it as well as still running the ships on. And with it looking as good as it does, just doesn't make sense.
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#933 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:07 am

It wont be too long until NHC classifies again as a TD.

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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#934 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:09 am

cycloneye wrote:It wont be too long until NHC classifies again as a TD.

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This could be ANA but it's a race against time to see which one will be ana!!!!!!
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#935 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:11 am

Very little shear, so if I understand Ort's theory correctly the dry air should no longer be a big issue.

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#936 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:12 am

Seems this system is able to keep enough convection going from the ITCZ moisture to the south and oddly enough 90L to the east, compared the dry air to the west and north. I think what we are seeing is that it's a small system and is VERY responsive to shear. The dry easterly shear that was killing it has been clamped off by 90L. I'd say it might pulse back and forth for another day or so depending on dry air as it heads to warmer waters and higher OHC. Then we could see more strengthening
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#937 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:15 am

It sure is looking a lot like a tropical depression again I have to admit though given the way its convection has been over the last 24hrs they will probably hold back for a while yet, unless the research mission shows this is stronger then we think...

TD2 goes back into the lead to be Ana!
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#938 Postby Evil Jeremy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:16 am

If the convection persists like this I think we will get code red at 2 PM. Ironically, I think that TD2 went from code orange to TD while skipping code red, so this would be its first time at code red.
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#939 Postby Gustywind » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:23 am

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Making a come-back...
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#940 Postby Gustywind » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:31 am

Is that some banding trying to form in its periphery?
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Repopping steadily and moisturizes the atmosphere behind for 90L...
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