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#1201 Postby Stormsfury » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:22 pm

MWatkins wrote:WX at least you won't have much time to post if he's going to be pulling all-nighters!

I find it hard to believe this system is just going to go away. It has maintained a very well defined circulation even under some very hostile conditions.

Not comparing, but remember Katrina stuggled across the Atlantic and was actually numbered twice before it developed in the Bahamas. And Andrew was a nasty swirl that survived the most the mid-oceanic trough could muster (in an El Nino year).

These are the systems that scare me the most. These little ones that hang in there under very hostile conditions...

MW


Hey Mike, long time no see (well I haven't been around much) .. Finally got new PC Last Friday.

With regards to Katrina, yeah it took a collective effort from a former tropical depression combined with another tropical wave, and other ingredients for the complicated development of Tropical Depression 12 in which ultimately led to the birth of the most destructive monetary storm, and one of the deadliest storms in history.

Andrew is another. It survived tenaciously under strong shear but once clear of the hostile environment, and upper ridging took hold, conditions favored strengthening. As a matter of fact, Andrew in its inception struggled from Easterly shear. Conditions improved and allowed Andrew to be born. Then the upper level trough that ALMOST tore Andrew apart. In fact, Andrew was only producing sporadic bursts of convection and in fact, was almost a renmant low. BUT, the circulation aloft was vigorous. Once the upper trough split and opened, part of it moved northeast, while the other dropped southwest putting it in a position favorable to enhance outflow on the western semicircle of Andrew. A strong ridge of high pressure built over the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic, and the rest is history.

Fran was another storm that incipently struggled. There are many others too. Later developers increases the chances of a later recurve.
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#1202 Postby lester » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:27 pm

WTNT32 KNHC 150425
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 12
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022009
1230 AM AST SAT AUG 15 2009

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO REGENERATES OVER THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC
OCEAN...
INTERESTS IN THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO.

AT 1230 AM AST...0430 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO
WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 14.6 NORTH...LONGITUDE 45.8 WEST OR ABOUT
1075 MILES...1735 KM...EAST OF THE LEEWARD ISLANDS.

THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 15 MPH...24 KM/HR...
AND THIS GENERAL MOTION WITH A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE
WEST-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 35 MPH...55 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS AND
THE DEPRESSION COULD BECOME A TROPICAL STORM THIS WEEKEND.

THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE BASED ON NOAA BUOY 41041 IS
1005 MB...29.68 INCHES.

...SUMMARY OF 1230 AM AST INFORMATION...
LOCATION...14.6N 45.8W
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WEST OR 270 DEGREES AT 15 MPH
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
500 AM AST.
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#1203 Postby gatorcane » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:27 pm

title change :D

The cone will be alarming but it should not get too strong hopefully.
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Re: ATL : EX-TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1204 Postby wxman57 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:29 pm

25.5/76.5 at day 5 50 kts
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#1205 Postby MWatkins » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:29 pm

Stormsfury wrote:Hey Mike, long time no see (well I haven't been around much) .. Finally got new PC Last Friday.

With regards to Katrina, yeah it took a collective effort from a former tropical depression combined with another tropical wave, and other ingredients for the complicated development of Tropical Depression 12 in which ultimately led to the birth of the most destructive monetary storm, and one of the deadliest storms in history.

Andrew is another. It survived tenaciously under strong shear but once clear of the hostile environment, and upper ridging took hold, conditions favored strengthening. As a matter of fact, Andrew in its inception struggled from Easterly shear. Conditions improved and allowed Andrew to be born. Then the upper level trough that ALMOST tore Andrew apart. In fact, Andrew was only producing sporadic bursts of convection and in fact, was almost a renmant low. BUT, the circulation aloft was vigorous. Once the upper trough split and opened, part of it moved northeast, while the other dropped southwest putting it in a position favorable to enhance outflow on the western semicircle of Andrew. A strong ridge of high pressure built over the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic, and the rest is history.

Fran was another storm that incipently struggled. There are many others too. Later developers increases the chances of a later recurve.


Hey Storms, indeed it has been a long time. Seems like we are all flocking back to jump off the same cliff like lemmings!

Good point about Katrina, it was more a communal effort than a little circulation hanging in there like this one. However, these little ones make little hurricanes that can intensify (and weaken) quite rapidly, much like Andrew did on the instensify side.

Or the Labor Day hurricane...

MW
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#1206 Postby gatorcane » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:31 pm

NHC cone is out for TD#2.......looks like only a tropical storm though for Bahamas and Southern FL maybe...that shouldn't be that bad...hopefully.

The media is going to be all over this one this weekend.
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Re: ATL : EX-TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1207 Postby MGC » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:33 pm

Just got in from an evening at the casino....Gotta agree with the NHC that we have TD2 back. Nice convective blowup this evening. South Florida is in the 5 day cone....I think TD2 might even track a bit to the west than forecast, but we shall see. Seen this many times where the NHC forecast a poleward motion too quickly. There appears to be a large ULL to the depressions north which should keep the depression under some shear, that and all the dry air should preclude any rapid intensification.....MGC
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Re: ATL : EX TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO (Advisories)

#1208 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:34 pm

WTNT42 KNHC 150426
TCDAT2
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO SPECIAL DISCUSSION NUMBER 12
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022009
1230 AM AST SAT AUG 15 2009

SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE REMNANT CIRCULATION OF TROPICAL
DEPRESSION TWO HAS REGENERATED INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE. DATA FROM
A NOAA G-IV MISSION...NOAA BUOY 41041...AND A RECENTLY-RECEIVED
ASCAT PASS INDICATES THAT THE CIRCULATION IS WELL-DEFINED. THE BUOY
ALSO REPORTED 1006.4 MB AND NORTH-NORTHWEST WINDS OF 19 KT.
ORGANIZED CONVECTION HAS NOW PERSISTED NEAR THE CENTER LONG
ENOUGH TO CONSIDER THIS SYSTEM A TROPICAL DEPRESSION. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY IS SET TO 30 KT...IN AGREEMENT WITH A SPECIAL DVORAK
CLASSIFICATION FROM TAFB AND WINDS FROM ASCAT.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 270/13. THE GLOBAL MODELS ARE IN
AGREEMENT THAT DEEP LAYER RIDGING WILL PERSIST NORTH OF THE
TROPICAL CYCLONE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS...WHICH SHOULD STEER THE
SYSTEM IN A WEST OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD DIRECTION. IN A FEW
DAYS...THE CYCLONE WILL BE APPROACHING THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO NORTH...WHICH COULD ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO MOVE
MORE TOWARD THE NORTHWEST. FOR SUCH A WEAK SYSTEM...THE TRACK
GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT THROUGH THE PERIOD...AND THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST IS CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS. HOWEVER...NOW THAT
THE SYSTEM IS BEING INITIALIZED AS A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN MOST OF
THE GLOBAL MODEL FIELDS...IT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING TO SEE CHANGES
IN THE GUIDANCE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF GUIDANCE CYCLES.

RELATIVELY LOW SHEAR IS FORECAST BY THE SHIPS MODEL FOR THE NEXT DAY
OR SO WHILE THE SYSTEM REMAINS UNDER THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF AN
UPPER HIGH OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC. THEREAFTER...AN UPPER TROUGH
TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE TROPICAL CYCLONE COULD INDUCE SOME WESTERLY
SHEAR. GIVEN THIS...THE INTENSITY FORECAST ONLY SHOWS SLOW
INTENSIFICATION THOUGH 48 HOURS AND LITTLE CHANGE AFTER THAT. THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST IS CLOSE TO A BLEND OF THE SHIPS/LGEM/HWRF
MODELS. HOWEVER...IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE INTENSITY PROBABILITY
TABLE SHOWS ABOUT A 25 PERCENT CHANCE THAT THIS SYSTEM COULD BE A
HURRICANE AFTER 48 HOURS.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 15/0430Z 14.6N 45.8W 30 KT
12HR VT 15/1200Z 14.7N 47.6W 30 KT
24HR VT 16/0000Z 15.0N 51.0W 40 KT
36HR VT 16/1200Z 16.0N 54.5W 45 KT
48HR VT 17/0000Z 17.0N 58.0W 50 KT
72HR VT 18/0000Z 19.5N 65.0W 50 KT
96HR VT 19/0000Z 22.0N 71.0W 50 KT
120HR VT 20/0000Z 25.5N 76.5W 50 KT

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE/BRENNAN
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Re: ATL : EX-TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1209 Postby Brent » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:34 pm

About time.
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Re: ATL : EX-TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1210 Postby JPmia » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:36 pm

crap we're in a cone again..that will be quite a surprise to most down here that thought this was dead. This whole picture gets more interesting now with TD2, 90L and maybe another one right behind it. It's going to be hard for all of us to dodge these bowling balls.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1211 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:38 pm

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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1212 Postby MWatkins » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:40 pm

At least I feel a little vindicated. I've never been more confused about a non-call than I was tonight. Glad I didn't go to sleep, I would have been bothered by it all night!

MW
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#1213 Postby Stormsfury » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:40 pm

I believe this is exactly what they were waiting for in the discussion. They had a mission ongoing into it, plus waited for the buoy data to support the upgrade.

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WTNT42 KNHC 150426
TCDAT2
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO SPECIAL DISCUSSION NUMBER 12
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022009
1230 AM AST SAT AUG 15 2009

SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE REMNANT CIRCULATION OF TROPICAL
DEPRESSION TWO HAS REGENERATED INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE. DATA FROM
A NOAA G-IV MISSION...NOAA BUOY 41041...AND A RECENTLY-RECEIVED
ASCAT PASS INDICATES THAT THE CIRCULATION IS WELL-DEFINED. THE BUOY
ALSO REPORTED 1006.4 MB AND NORTH-NORTHWEST WINDS OF 19 KT.
ORGANIZED CONVECTION HAS NOW PERSISTED NEAR THE CENTER LONG
ENOUGH TO CONSIDER THIS SYSTEM A TROPICAL DEPRESSION. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY IS SET TO 30 KT...IN AGREEMENT WITH A SPECIAL DVORAK
CLASSIFICATION FROM TAFB AND WINDS FROM ASCAT.
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#1214 Postby thetruesms » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:40 pm

lester88 wrote:WTNT32 KNHC 150425
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 12
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022009
1230 AM AST SAT AUG 15 2009

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO REGENERATES OVER THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC
OCEAN...
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Glad they decided to just pull the trigger on this, finally. I mean, I can understand the reasons for wanting to hold off, especially given its . . . rollercoaster . . . history with holding convection, but this is arguably the healthiest it's looked. I wonder if the buoy data helped much to sway the decision to re-initiate advisories?

edit - whoops, looks like my wondering about our friend, the buoy, was answered while I wrote the post :lol:
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1215 Postby Air Force Met » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:46 pm

MWatkins wrote:At least I feel a little vindicated. I've never been more confused about a non-call than I was tonight. Glad I didn't go to sleep, I would have been bothered by it all night!

MW


I agree...my wife was even having a "huh" moment and she's not even into weather. lol.
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#1216 Postby Evil Jeremy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:46 pm

I tried to go to sleep, I really did, but I was mentally awake, I could not get this system off my mind. Looks like the NHC came to their senses lol.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1217 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:48 pm

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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1218 Postby sunnyday » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:58 pm

John Matthews, ch. 12 in WPB, Fl., saw this one coming last night. Good for him!!
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO

#1219 Postby AtlanticWind » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:59 pm

Wonder if this will be Ana or Bill ?
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#1220 Postby HouTXmetro » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:04 am

Models Please!
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