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#21 Postby Scott_inVA » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:10 pm

Air Force Met wrote:I've seen him commit to plenty. To me...probability schemes are not forecasting...or forecasting PROB30...OR spliting the model difference when putting out your tropical track. That is NOT forecasting. It is taking the model average and making that the official forecast. The NHC does it all the time. At least JB says where he thinks it will go. He committed to Lili last year and was right on. He committed to claudette and was correct with the intensity forecast. So...again...it is all what you want to see. You don't want to see commital so you don't. He covers his bases and gives possibilities. That is what we do as forecasters. Sometimes we hit...and sometimes we bit the bullet.


PROB30 w/NWS means as I'm certain you know, 30% of the forecast coverage area will see measurable precip. Doesn't mean a given point of land has a 30% chance of precip.

TPC's verification record inside 72 hours is better than any model. Period. I keep stats. If they generally are in line with models we should all be grateful model output is improving.

Not correct regarding Lili. Bastardi had it landfalling as a "strong Cat 3...maybe a low 4". It was not.

Not correct with Claudette location... consistently honked LA and E TX. didn't happen. Ripped TPC for ebbing up the central TX coast. Where was landfall?

And I won't waste space or time reviewing the six...yes six winter storms he progged through the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast he honked that did not happen.

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#22 Postby Scott_inVA » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:13 pm

Tip wrote:You can rip him all you want, but he has an uncanny ability to sniff out tropical trouble spots in the long range.


When you say virtually everything could go, how can you not take credit for the ones that do?

Imagine that policy at TPC...Invest 90 would have been TD #15 by now.
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#23 Postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2003 1:06 pm

I see JB as another forecaster to refer to - do I agree - nope - is he right or wrong - definitely both in my eyes. He is a personality and with that comes his own way of doing things. As for the NWS or NHC - we never see those guys/gals and their personalities and only get what they are paid to do - give us forecasts.

I'm an average jane who loves weather and guess what - when someone gives me a forecast I agree with - I stand by him and when they don't - LOL - I don't give them a second thought.....this is a friendly debate - and neither side is right or wrong.

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#24 Postby chadtm80 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 1:09 pm

When you say virtually everything could go, how can you not take credit for the ones that do?

Imagine that policy at TPC...Invest 90 would have been TD #15 by now.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#25 Postby Thunder44 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 1:32 pm

Didn't many people on this board, including you Scott think that this 90L would be TS or Hurricane threatening the Lesser Antillies by now?

By the way Scott, your wrong about Lili and Claudette. JB thought Lili would make landfall no more than a Cat 2. The NHC thought it would be Cat 3 or 4. And JB and the NHC thought it would hit the Rio Grande area then they shifted their tracks further north. He didn't honk at the NHC for that cuz he agreed with them.

And if you think that all JB does is hype. Well, you see NHC hyped TD #6 into becoming a hurricane by the time it reached Hispanola and Jamaica area. JB didn't hype it all, doubted there would be so much intenisfication.
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#26 Postby chadtm80 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 1:36 pm

I did. Thats for sure
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#27 Postby hurricanedude » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:27 pm

put it this way, I can assure you he knows more than 99% of us in this forum....
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#28 Postby ColdFront77 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:00 pm

We do see the forecasters from The National Hurricane Center on television from time to time.

Meteorologists/weather forecasters try their hardest to forecast the weather for their area and/or across the nation. They can't know exactly what and where it is going to rain, thunder, hail, snow, sleet, be sunny, etc.
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#29 Postby JetMaxx » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:05 pm

hurricanedude wrote:put it this way, I can assure you he knows more than 99% of us in this forum....


Well, let's see...there are now 552 Storm2K members...so that means there are still five of us here that are smarter than JB...I wonder who the other four are?? :D
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#30 Postby hurricanedude » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:18 pm

sure as heck aint me!!!
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#31 Postby Stormsfury » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:20 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
hurricanedude wrote:put it this way, I can assure you he knows more than 99% of us in this forum....


Well, let's see...there are now 552 Storm2K members...so that means there are still five of us here that are smarter than JB...I wonder who the other four are?? :D


:lol: :lol: :D
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#32 Postby southerngale » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:28 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
hurricanedude wrote:put it this way, I can assure you he knows more than 99% of us in this forum....


Well, let's see...there are now 552 Storm2K members...so that means there are still five of us here that are smarter than JB...I wonder who the other four are?? :D


LOL! :lol:
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#33 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:55 pm

LOL Perry!!
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#34 Postby Air Force Met » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:27 pm

Scott...man...you are major wrong. He did not consistently "honk" e tx and LA. I have no idea what you were watching but he consistently said south texas. Period. Matter of fact...I've got an e-mail from him where he is ticked off at himself that he was saying south texas ansd it went into central texas. I have no clue what or who you were watching but it wasn't Bastardi. I think you might have heard him mention it once and now because you have a bias against him...he was "honking". However, you are totally wrong on that one because he said south Texas (Brownsville). He was right on the intensity.

As to Lili. Bull. Bastardi said that was possible but after it started to peak...he said the winds would not reach the surface because it was in a weakening phase. However, the NHC had it coming in at 125 kts...despite the fact it was going through a cycle and moving over lower SST's.. AND the NHC had it coming in at 125 kts...which is a CAT 4!! only 12 hours out. By then...Bastardi was screaming that there was no way.

So...there is your bias. Which is more wrong? To say a cat 4 then change your mind 24 hours out...or to ride the cat 4 train all the way? To me it is the former. However...you need to make sure you get the facts straight. You are wrong about Claudette and Lili. He did not "honk" about it moving up the coast because he was forecasting the same area. He did call for a cat 4 in Lili but revised it long before and said it was done in strengthening because Izzy had torn up the waters.
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#35 Postby Air Force Met » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:43 pm

I meant the latter. It's more wrong to ride a train when the wheels are broke.

BTW...since you keep the stats...please provide them. I'm not just talking the control models or the mainstays ... I mean all of the ones they have access to. Do you have stats on their performance against the GUNS, GUNA, FSUSuper, NGPI, AVNI, NGPS, UKMO and UKMI? If so...I would be interested in seeing their 0-72 hour performance against them all. A first year forecaster can beat the control models. They have access to about 20 models...if not more. If you ahve stats for them against the models...all of them...I would like to see them. Please provide.
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#36 Postby mahmoo » Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:11 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
hurricanedude wrote:put it this way, I can assure you he knows more than 99% of us in this forum....


Well, let's see...there are now 552 Storm2K members...so that means there are still five of us here that are smarter than JB...I wonder who the other four are?? :D



I'm 100% sure it's not me :12:
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#37 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:22 pm

Me either mahmoo!! lol.
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#38 Postby ameriwx2003 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:06 pm

Ahh.. Time for me to weigh in on the J.B. debate:):). Ticka made a good point, She said Bastardi is a personality. I will use the TPC as reference in my points:):). The TPC doesn't need to play to clients, they are not a pay service they are not in the business of speculation. Some people say their discussions are cookie cutter and plain vanilla and they pretty much are.They are straight and to the point they don't need to be full of speculation etc. they try for a middle of the road approach and not to many swings back and forth if possible. They have made mistakes like any forcasting group.( Hurricane Debbie debacle is still being debated:):) ). Joe b is personality, he is a showman. The company he works for is a pay service. Not many people want to pay to read there are a group of showers near the bahamas, development if any will be slow to occur. People can get that for free. Speculation and showmanship sells. Ask CNN about it, foxnews has taken it to them:):). Joe B gives what alot of people want showmanship, a personality and speculation what if type of discussion. jOE b IS LIKE TEFLON MAn also. I remember reading Joe B's discussion and one day he said claudette to be was going to be the real deal and 2 days later he saID the system would be a Napolean, it would get blownaparte( it would give ripped apart by shear). well Claudette did survive as we all know and after that Joe B did very well with it. if the TPC would have done that people would still be complaining;):). I must say though if I owned a pay weather service I would hire Joe B in a second. he is a showman sure but a darn good one and he does know his stuff. Joe B knows the tropics and I have learned alot just from reading his lenghty discussion or his videos. He goes into great detail and many times he does nail something way in advance. Last year he was uncanny at times with long range predictions. Love him or hate him Joe B is a smart guy.. the very fact that this dicussion has so many posts and it seems to happen on several boards a few times a year tells you Joe B is getting exposure and is well known and for Joe B and the company he works for thats great business:):). Oh well just my 2 cents:):)
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#39 Postby ameriwx2003 » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:10 pm

I also wanted to add a point I forgot. While the TPC aren't the glitz and showmanship of bastardi, I think they do a fine job:):)
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#40 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Aug 03, 2003 12:05 am

Ameriwx, that's a very good post... I never said that Joe B didn't know his stuff, but you explained it well about him also being a showman. He does hype a lot of situations that don't come to pass. Like you said, no one is going to pay money for a forecast of a few showers and thunderstorms. I have seen, one, maybe two discussions recently from Claudette (I think on FOX NEWS) and based on what I saw, what he did was explain both best and worst case scenarios.

In regards to winter weather ... he does have an I-95 corridor bias ...
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