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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2281 Postby Ivanhater » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:49 pm

00z GFS...Nasty weather for the North Central Gulfcoast

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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2282 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:50 pm

jinftl wrote:A Cat 3 in the next 24 hours or a Cat 3 when approaching the Florida panhandle? For my education,which models are saying this?

Clearly the NHC isn't factoring those models in their forecast, particularly beyond 36 hours...

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jinftl wrote:Just so no one gets confused by the discussion here....the discussion is a general one....there is no forecast that is calling for Ida to have 115 mph winds...either as a hurricane or extratropical system...as she approaches the Gulf Coast and Florida. The current forecast calls for a 50 mph tropical storm transitioning into an equally squally extratropical low pressure late Tuesday. The biggest threats could be from coastal flooding and beach erosion in susceptible areas like the Florida Big Bend.


Its not a general discussion. Yes the official forecast doesn't have Ida getting to cat 3 but this isn't the thread for official forecasts. This is the model discussion which some of the models do show Ida getting to be a cat 3.


GFDL shows it.

18z GFDL=Cat 3 Landfall at Panhandle
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Recon=Plane is flying towards Ida

#2283 Postby cycloneye » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:50 pm

RECCO OBSERVATION OB 02

Product: Air Force Tropical RECCO Message (URNT11 KNHC)
Transmitted: 8th day of the month at 03:44Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 306)
Storm Number: 11
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 3
Observation Number: 02

Observation Time: Sunday, 3:45Z
Radar Capability: Yes
Aircraft Altitude: Below 10,000 meters
Coordinates: 26.6N 88.4W
Location: 254 miles (409 km) to the SSE (157°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
Turbulence: None
Conditions Along Flight Route: In the clear
Pressure Altitude: 8,230 meters
Flight Level Wind: From 240° at 21 knots (From the WSW at ~ 24.1 mph)
- The above is a spot wind.
- Winds were obtained using doppler radar or inertial systems.
Flight Level Temperature: -25°C
Flight Level Dew Point: -29°C
Weather (within 30 nautical miles): Clear
D-value: 44 geopotential meters
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#2284 Postby ozonepete » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:52 pm

Evil Jeremy wrote:Not even a hurricane watch for Cuba. There needs to be a hurricane watch up for that area yesterday.



Absolutely. They need a warning at this point. Just crazy that they haven't issued one.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Recon=Plane is flying towards Ida

#2285 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:53 pm

Product: Air Force High Density (HDOB) Message (URNT15 KNHC)
Transmitted: 8th day of the month at 03:48Z
Date: November 8, 2009
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 306)
Storm Number: 11
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 3
Observation Number: 08
Time (Z) / Coordinates / Acft. Static Air Press. / Acft. Geo. Hgt. / Extrap. Sfc. Press. / Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s) / Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind / SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind / SFMR Rain Rate
03:40:30 26.867N 88.533W 344.1 mb 8,667 m - From 253° (WSW) at 11 kts (12.6 mph) 12 kts (~ 13.8 mph) 30 kts 0 mm/hr
03:41:00 26.833N 88.517W 344.5 mb 8,656 m - From 249° (WSW) at 16 kts (18.4 mph) 16 kts (~ 18.4 mph) 28 kts 1 mm/hr
03:41:30 26.800N 88.500W 344.1 mb 8,670 m - From 253° (WSW) at 16 kts (18.4 mph) 16 kts (~ 18.4 mph) 29 kts 0 mm/hr
03:42:00 26.767N 88.483W 344.3 mb 8,660 m - From 254° (WSW) at 16 kts (18.4 mph) 17 kts (~ 19.5 mph) 28 kts 1 mm/hr
03:42:30 26.733N 88.467W 344.3 mb 8,661 m - From 264° (W) at 17 kts (19.5 mph) 17 kts (~ 19.5 mph) 27 kts 1 mm/hr
03:43:00 26.700N 88.450W 344.5 mb 8,657 m - From 265° (W) at 17 kts (19.5 mph) 17 kts (~ 19.5 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
03:43:30 26.667N 88.433W 344.1 mb 8,666 m - From 262° (W) at 17 kts (19.5 mph) 17 kts (~ 19.5 mph) 27 kts 1 mm/hr
03:44:00 26.617N 88.417W 344.5 mb 8,665 m - From 250° (WSW) at 17 kts (19.5 mph) 19 kts (~ 21.8 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:44:30 26.583N 88.400W 344.2 mb 8,672 m - From 243° (WSW) at 20 kts (23.0 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 28 kts 1 mm/hr
03:45:00 26.550N 88.383W 344.5 mb 8,657 m - From 245° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 21 kts (~ 24.1 mph) 28 kts 1 mm/hr
03:45:30 26.517N 88.367W 344.1 mb 8,669 m - From 243° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 21 kts (~ 24.1 mph) 27 kts 1 mm/hr
03:46:00 26.483N 88.350W 344.3 mb 8,661 m - From 238° (WSW) at 19 kts (21.8 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 29 kts 0 mm/hr
03:46:30 26.450N 88.333W 344.2 mb 8,673 m - From 242° (WSW) at 18 kts (20.7 mph) 19 kts (~ 21.8 mph) 30 kts 0 mm/hr
03:47:00 26.417N 88.317W 344.1 mb 8,670 m - From 246° (WSW) at 18 kts (20.7 mph) 19 kts (~ 21.8 mph) 29 kts 0 mm/hr
03:47:30 26.383N 88.300W 344.2 mb 8,670 m - From 248° (WSW) at 20 kts (23.0 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 29 kts 1 mm/hr
03:48:00 26.350N 88.283W 344.3 mb 8,669 m - From 246° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 21 kts (~ 24.1 mph) 27 kts 2 mm/hr
03:48:30 26.317N 88.267W 344.2 mb 8,668 m - From 245° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
03:49:00 26.283N 88.250W 344.1 mb 8,675 m - From 243° (WSW) at 20 kts (23.0 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 29 kts 0 mm/hr
03:49:30 26.250N 88.233W 344.5 mb 8,665 m - From 244° (WSW) at 19 kts (21.8 mph) 19 kts (~ 21.8 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
03:50:00 26.217N 88.233W 344.2 mb 8,670 m - From 241° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 21 kts (~ 24.1 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
At 03:40:30Z (first observation), the observation was 234 miles (377 km) to the SSE (157°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
At 03:50:00Z (last observation), the observation was 283 miles (455 km) to the SSE (157°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Recon=Plane is flying towards Ida

#2286 Postby cycloneye » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:53 pm

OB 8

URNT15 KNHC 080348
AF306 0311A IDA HDOB 08 20091108
034030 2652N 08832W 3441 08667 0433 -250 -250 253011 012 030 000 01
034100 2650N 08831W 3445 08656 0434 -250 +999 249016 016 028 001 01
034130 2648N 08830W 3441 08670 0433 -250 -258 253016 016 029 000 00
034200 2646N 08829W 3443 08660 0434 -249 -249 254016 017 028 001 00
034230 2644N 08828W 3443 08661 0435 -246 -254 264017 017 027 001 00
034300 2642N 08827W 3445 08657 0435 -245 -269 265017 017 028 000 00
034330 2640N 08826W 3441 08666 0435 -244 -275 262017 017 027 001 00
034400 2637N 08825W 3445 08665 0436 -249 -272 250017 019 026 001 00
034430 2635N 08824W 3442 08672 0436 -249 -276 243020 020 028 001 00
034500 2633N 08823W 3445 08657 0436 -246 -291 245021 021 028 001 00
034530 2631N 08822W 3441 08669 0435 -245 -281 243021 021 027 001 00
034600 2629N 08821W 3443 08661 0437 -245 -295 238019 020 029 000 00
034630 2627N 08820W 3442 08673 0436 -247 -299 242018 019 030 000 00
034700 2625N 08819W 3441 08670 0438 -248 -304 246018 019 029 000 00
034730 2623N 08818W 3442 08670 0438 -250 -311 248020 020 029 001 00
034800 2621N 08817W 3443 08669 0439 -251 -307 246021 021 027 002 00
034830 2619N 08816W 3442 08668 0439 -252 -307 245021 022 028 000 00
034900 2617N 08815W 3441 08675 0439 -251 -315 243020 020 029 000 00
034930 2615N 08814W 3445 08665 0439 -250 -318 244019 019 028 000 00
035000 2613N 08814W 3442 08670 0438 -250 -319 241021 021 028 000 00
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#2287 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:53 pm

any warning would be needed for about 30 miles of Cuban coastline
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2288 Postby robbielyn » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:55 pm

Ivanhater wrote:00z GFS...Nasty weather for the North Central Gulfcoast

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See if this verifies jinftl, then west coast wont get diddly from the actual storm just gradient winds and peripheral rain it never fails this is all we ever get.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2289 Postby tgenius » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:58 pm

robbielyn wrote:
Ivanhater wrote:00z GFS...Nasty weather for the North Central Gulfcoast

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See if this verifies jinftl, then west coast wont get diddly from the actual storm just gradient winds and peripheral rain it
never fails this is all we ever get.


And East coast would get even less.... and we could REALLY use the rain down here too. :(
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2291 Postby tolakram » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:59 pm

I just wanted to point out how refreshing it is to see the Canadian model continually hitting the New Orleans area again. Why it likes NO so much ... who knows. :)
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Models

#2292 Postby jinftl » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:00 pm

Luckily the newest 0z runs are not showing intensities like that anymore in the 72 hours+ timeframe.

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Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:
GFDL shows it.

18z GFDL=Cat 3 Landfall at Panhandle
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA

#2293 Postby cpdaman » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:01 pm

well well well it took 6 months but there is something very interesting to track.

sitting in bathwater......here's a colorful loop thru 345utc

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/satelli ... g&itype=ir

i'm trying to guess what time my mom will call me manana and ask me "what the heck is going on with IDA"

key west radar says hello to ida's outer rain band http://radar.weather.gov/radar_lite.php ... R&loop=yes

winds gustin over 40 just west of KYW on this bouy

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=PLSF1
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Recon=Plane is flying towards Ida

#2294 Postby cycloneye » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:03 pm

OB 9

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URNT15 KNHC 080358
AF306 0311A IDA HDOB 09 20091108
035030 2611N 08813W 3442 08669 0442 -251 -319 240020 020 028 000 00
035100 2609N 08812W 3443 08671 0441 -252 -317 242019 019 027 002 00
035130 2607N 08811W 3443 08667 0442 -251 -307 237021 022 028 000 00
035200 2605N 08810W 3441 08675 0442 -252 -309 239023 024 026 002 00
035230 2603N 08809W 3442 08672 0442 -250 -343 237024 024 026 001 00
035300 2601N 08808W 3442 08670 0443 -250 -334 237022 023 026 000 00
035330 2559N 08807W 3443 08675 0442 -250 -306 237022 023 024 001 00
035400 2557N 08806W 3443 08673 0444 -250 -313 233023 023 026 001 00
035430 2555N 08805W 3441 08678 0444 -252 -306 232023 023 025 001 00
035500 2553N 08804W 3443 08679 0445 -253 -302 235023 024 026 001 00
035530 2551N 08803W 3442 08677 0443 -254 -311 235023 024 026 001 00
035600 2549N 08802W 3443 08671 0444 -255 -308 234024 024 027 000 00
035630 2547N 08801W 3443 08671 0445 -255 -297 232026 027 026 001 00
035700 2545N 08800W 3441 08677 0445 -255 -282 233025 027 025 001 00
035730 2543N 08759W 3443 08671 0446 -255 -296 233023 024 024 002 00
035800 2541N 08758W 3445 08666 0446 -254 -296 230022 022 022 002 00
035830 2539N 08758W 3442 08676 0448 -254 -291 229021 022 023 002 00
035900 2537N 08757W 3443 08676 0446 -254 -297 230022 022 025 002 00
035930 2535N 08756W 3443 08676 0449 -255 -287 225021 022 025 001 00
040000 2533N 08755W 3442 08679 0447 -258 -290 221020 020 025 002 00
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA

#2296 Postby ozonepete » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:04 pm

Yup. Pinpoint Eye. Don't know how big it will be when RECON gets there, but they will surely find at least 70 knots.
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Re: ATL : TROPICAL STORM IDA - Recon=Plane is flying towards Ida

#2297 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:04 pm

Product: Air Force High Density (HDOB) Message (URNT15 KNHC)
Transmitted: 8th day of the month at 03:58Z
Date: November 8, 2009
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 306)
Storm Number: 11
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 3
Observation Number: 09
Time (Z) / Coordinates / Acft. Static Air Press. / Acft. Geo. Hgt. / Extrap. Sfc. Press. / Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s) / Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind / SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind / SFMR Rain Rate
03:50:30 26.183N 88.217W 344.2 mb 8,669 m - From 240° (WSW) at 20 kts (23.0 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
03:51:00 26.150N 88.200W 344.3 mb 8,671 m - From 242° (WSW) at 19 kts (21.8 mph) 19 kts (~ 21.8 mph) 27 kts 2 mm/hr
03:51:30 26.117N 88.183W 344.3 mb 8,667 m - From 237° (WSW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 28 kts 0 mm/hr
03:52:00 26.083N 88.167W 344.1 mb 8,675 m - From 239° (WSW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 26 kts 2 mm/hr
03:52:30 26.050N 88.150W 344.2 mb 8,672 m - From 237° (WSW) at 24 kts (27.6 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:53:00 26.017N 88.133W 344.2 mb 8,670 m - From 237° (WSW) at 22 kts (25.3 mph) 23 kts (~ 26.4 mph) 26 kts 0 mm/hr
03:53:30 25.983N 88.117W 344.3 mb 8,675 m - From 237° (WSW) at 22 kts (25.3 mph) 23 kts (~ 26.4 mph) 24 kts 1 mm/hr
03:54:00 25.950N 88.100W 344.3 mb 8,673 m - From 233° (SW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 23 kts (~ 26.4 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:54:30 25.917N 88.083W 344.1 mb 8,678 m - From 232° (SW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 23 kts (~ 26.4 mph) 25 kts 1 mm/hr
03:55:00 25.883N 88.067W 344.3 mb 8,679 m - From 235° (SW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:55:30 25.850N 88.050W 344.2 mb 8,677 m - From 235° (SW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:56:00 25.817N 88.033W 344.3 mb 8,671 m - From 234° (SW) at 24 kts (27.6 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 27 kts 0 mm/hr
03:56:30 25.783N 88.017W 344.3 mb 8,671 m - From 232° (SW) at 26 kts (29.9 mph) 27 kts (~ 31.0 mph) 26 kts 1 mm/hr
03:57:00 25.750N 88.000W 344.1 mb 8,677 m - From 233° (SW) at 25 kts (28.7 mph) 27 kts (~ 31.0 mph) 25 kts 1 mm/hr
03:57:30 25.717N 87.983W 344.3 mb 8,671 m - From 233° (SW) at 23 kts (26.4 mph) 24 kts (~ 27.6 mph) 24 kts 2 mm/hr
03:58:00 25.683N 87.967W 344.5 mb 8,666 m - From 230° (SW) at 22 kts (25.3 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 22 kts 2 mm/hr
03:58:30 25.650N 87.967W 344.2 mb 8,676 m - From 229° (SW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 23 kts 2 mm/hr
03:59:00 25.617N 87.950W 344.3 mb 8,676 m - From 230° (SW) at 22 kts (25.3 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 25 kts 2 mm/hr
03:59:30 25.583N 87.933W 344.3 mb 8,676 m - From 225° (SW) at 21 kts (24.1 mph) 22 kts (~ 25.3 mph) 25 kts 1 mm/hr
04:00:00 25.550N 87.917W 344.2 mb 8,679 m - From 221° (SW) at 20 kts (23.0 mph) 20 kts (~ 23.0 mph) 25 kts 2 mm/hr
At 03:50:30Z (first observation), the observation was 285 miles (459 km) to the SSE (157°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
At 04:00:00Z (last observation), the observation was 333 miles (536 km) to the SSE (157°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
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#2298 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:04 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:here you go .. that is a eye... :)
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-avn.html


Looking through that, I still don't see that much westward movement. Just a little NNW, but still primarily north by a lot.
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#2299 Postby wyq614 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:08 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:any warning would be needed for about 30 miles of Cuban coastline


The "TIEMPO ACTUAL" page of Cuban INSMET has not been updated for 2 days. I checked the amount of rainfall in WUNDERGROUND and found the station of western tip of Cuba (Cabo San Antonio) no received a millimetre of rain at all. Instead, the Punta del Este station of the Isle of Youth received only 6 milimetres of rain... Pinar del Rio station no received rain either. And the winds force is weak to moderate.

So I think the Cubans see no need to put a WARNING with that actual conditions and the staff of its website may be out dancing salsa or reggaeton.
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#2300 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:11 pm

not sure if it was posted, but this buoy had sustained winds near 60KT

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42056
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