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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#461 Postby Weatherdude20 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:55 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:Umm ok someone explain this to me. How is the the low tonight is 41 on the forecast but it is already 35 outside?!?!

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.ph ... 2=-97.1309

What am I missing? Is the temp wrong at the airport?

This update snippet just came out as well....

.UPDATE...
WITH MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES ACROSS THE NORTHWEST...TEMPERATURES HAVE
COOLED A LITTLE MORE THAN PREVIOUSLY EXPECTED. THUS...HAVE LOWERED
THE TEMPERATURES A FEW DEGREES. OTHERWISE THE PREVIOUS FORECAST IS
IN GOOD SHAPE. UPDATES HAVE BEEN SENT.


Well just now at 12:06AM they changed the low to be 38. Still showing a temp of 35 outside, interesting......

I agree...It got down to 32 in Denton and Bridgeport last night when the low as 38? And guys the DFW TV News stations call for mix precip Wednesday morning and light snow Thurs. and snow with accum. on Fri! The CBS11 TV forecast graphic had a cloud with snow/rain or all snow for like 4 different days this week!
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#462 Postby WantSnow » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:56 am

iorange55 wrote:
WantSnow wrote:For the first time on my little phone widget they are forecasting snow! On friday. It's a small % chance, but hey. All this talk off snow about this week, and friday is the most likely day? Interesting. hopefully we get something! :D




I'm not sure which area you're talking about, but if it's Dallas, then it is interesting for Dallas at least it looks like Friday will actually be a better chance for snow and not tonight into tomorrow. The GFS seems to be pushing more and more precip slowly to the north. Let's hope it continues.



CBS 11 news here in Dallas put snow in the forecast for Friday.



Yes, for Dallas. Also, I went to one of our local stations websites(can't remember which one) and they said 30% chance on Saturday. Looks like this cold is gonna hang around.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#463 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:00 am

iorange55 wrote:Also San Antonio NWS has SNOW in the forecast for Thursday and Friday. When was the last time San Antonio had actual snow? It obviously might change, but it's been awhile since snow was in the forecast for San Antonio I believe.


Yep, snow is also in the forecast Friday morning here in Austin. I see where the 0z GFS continues to advertise the short wave coming down the backside of the trough. The Euro now shows more moisture at the 700 and 850mb levels for that time period. Who knows?
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#464 Postby gboudx » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:06 am

No snow in the forecast here on the east side of Dallas. Lucy can try and entice me, but she'll freeze her you-know-what-off waiting outside for me. ;)
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#465 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:39 am

Busy day for me today, but a quick update. GFS is spitting out totals of a solid 2-6 inches on Friday for Houston. The 06Z is showing "hints" of a coastal low forming as well near Matagorda. Memories of 1973 are flooding back for this poster. :lol:

http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overla ... TIONID=HGX
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#466 Postby Outlaw JW » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:23 am

Had some brief sleet last night just west of Del Rio around 2:30 am.
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#467 Postby joshskeety » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:29 am

Abilene.

System coming in about 2-3 hours earlier than expected.. Temps dropping now that rain core is in.. Temps last night got down to 39, but rose overnight to 44.. Dropped from 44 to 38 degrees in about a half hour.. Southern counties in the STJ area looks as if they will get dry slotted before any winter precip begins.. We should see a small bout of wrap around moisture tonight into tomorrow, but temps will be 1-2 degrees too warm to do anything significant..

Thursday night into Friday...

What looked 3 days ago as a small cross zonal wave is now gaining strides with the computer models.. Each run has the storm gaining more and more strength and now has the Abilene area with 3-5 inches of snow..

The overly conservative San Angelo NWS zone is saying that it will be rain and snow.. There is NO DOUBT that there will be NO RAIN.. However, how much moisture is available is a concern. If the models continue the trend of BUILDING a storm, these totals could rise dramtically.. OR.. The energy could get transfered quicker to the gulf low that is building and we see significantly less..

Right now, this is a pretty good bet to have about a 12-24 hour period of snow with temps in the mid 20's which will be a HUGE problem on the roads..
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#468 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:33 am

So I took this picture about two years ago and just found it again last night. For those who live in the DFW area and have over the air antenna setup for local HD channels this is from 8-2. I am not sure why it got put up there, but I could not resist on taking a picture of it. Anyhow, just thought it might be worth a laugh.

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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#469 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:35 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:So I took this picture about two years ago and just found it again last night. For those who live in the DFW area and have over the air antenna setup for local HD channels this is from 8-2. I am not sure why it got put up there, but I could not resist on taking a picture of it. Anyhow, just thought it might be worth a laugh.





Lol Texas weather for ya...... :wink:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#470 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:41 am

Hey gang, the way this week is looking, many of us may experience some type of wintry weather between now and Saturday. I love seeing those observations from Del Rio and Abilene. Y'all keep 'em coming and thank you!

Austin has exciting overcast, a few sprinkles, and 47 degrees. :roll:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#471 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:46 am

E-mail from Jeff this morning...

Numerous issues to contend with this morning!

Confidence starting to grow for significant winter precipitation across Texas Thursday night –late Friday (See detailed section below)

Strong storm system to affect the area today into early Wednesday.

Arctic air mass to arrive Thursday into the area.

Today-Wednesday:

Cold upper storm system over N Mexico will move eastward today while NW Gulf surface low develops and tracks along the TX coast. Widespread rains along the coast will gradually build inland today with numerous coverage ongoing by afternoon into the evening hours. Surface low deepening over the NW Gulf will bring increasing NE winds to the coastal and offshore areas today with tides increasing. Upper storm crosses TX tonight with greatest lift coming to bear in the 600pm to 300am time period. Expect widespread rains with perhaps a clap of thunder or two. Rains will end from west to east early Wednesday as the low begins to shift east of the region.

A good widespread 1” of rain will be possible with higher totals near the coast. Along the coast the increasing ENE to NE wind will result in water level rise of 3.0-4.0 feet total producing some coastal flooding at high tide this afternoon from Rockport into SW LA. Bolivar is once again to most troubled spot with a 3.5 tide forecast at Port Bolivar…which may flood HWY 87. Winds will turn N Wednesday as the surface low moves into SC LA allowing tides to fall.

Thursday

Departing storm system allows a dump of cold arctic air into TX Thursday. Blocking is gradually developing over the higher latitudes of Alaska and NW Canada and while the pattern is not in full place by Thursday…there is enough to send a cold shot deep into TX. GFS shows a large 1040mb high building southward with very cold air in the entire profile by Thursday evening. Will undercut highs by several degrees and show only the upper 40’s even with some sun on Thursday under strong cold air advection pattern.

Thursday night-Friday night:

Forecasting nightmare at hand for this period as GFS and now other models show a significant short wave moving across the region with the cold air in place producing widespread and at times heavy frozen precipitation. The potential comes from a strong short wave that drops out of the central Rockies and then deep into TX Friday with rapid moisture advection pouring into the cold air mass. Cross sections support all snow by early Friday morning as strong cold air advection in all levels is noted. The pattern reminds me more of a polar clipper system in the Midwest than a true winter storm by TX standards..I believe if my memory is correct we had something similar in February of the late 1990’s that produced trace amounts of snow at KIAH and around an inch over our NW counties. Main issue I have is not the cold air, but the amount of available moisture…the upper air pattern is a dry one…but then it does not take much moisture in such a cold air mass to produce precipitation and lots of it. Given 00Z ECMWF now trending toward slightly more moisture and 00Z NAM/GFS nearly identical cannot deny the fact that snow is possible…this is the 3rd run in a row for the GFS showing significant snow and the other drier models are starting to trend in that direction!

Profiles support all snow nearly all counties Friday morning with the exception being our SW counties where profiles and critical thickness support a rain/snow mix and then change over to all snow by mid morning. GFS and NAM show 0C 850mb line reaching the Gulf waters on Friday which would help bring the frozen precipitation to the coast and offshore. NWSFO at Austin/San Antonio and Houston/Galveston along with the section for Victoria have all reluctantly placed 30-40% snow chances in for Friday. If the GFS is correct chances will be closer to 80% with some areas of significant accumulation.

Hate to even attempt to tackle any kind of accumulations this far out and with so much uncertainty and the fact that I do not know if I believe it will snow two years in a row in Houston and so early in the season…would be a record! Given a 10-1 ratio would suggest anywhere from 1-10 inches with the 5-1 ratio showing about 1-8 inches. Do not foresee surface temperatures below freezing Friday morning, but the onset of snow could/will result in evaporative cooling and wet bulb cooling as cold air advection continues…allowing temperatures to fall toward freezing where snow will be falling. This wet bulb cooling effect would be very similar to the historical Christmas Eve 2004 snowstorm where temperatures started in the lower 40’s and cooled to near or just below freezing in the snowfall area allowing those historical accumulations.

As one can imagine with any kind of winter weather event this far south…the uncertainty is very high and forecast confidence extremely low…we could end up cold and cloudy or we could have some significant snow.

Extended:

Upper air blocking looks to lock in place in the form of a high latitude Rex block over portions of Alaska and W Canada. GFS builds a massive 1060mb arctic dome and unleashes it into the US with a bitter outbreak of very cold air across the US next week. If even a portion of this event unfolds some serious cold will be headed southward next week. Southern stream remains active and will support additional storm systems and moisture with this potentially cold air mass.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#472 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:49 am

(Portastorm picks up the phone): "Lucy, this is Charlie Brown. Can we play some football later this week?" :lol:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#473 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:55 am

The NAM 12z is the first NAM showing the snow on friday getting to Dallas, but it doesn't look like there is as much moisture overall, it's still looking fairly similar. This is like what 5 or 6 updates in a row now? I'm excited about the 12 gfs coming out soon.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#474 Postby cctxhurricanewatcher » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:01 am

Even one of our local forecasters here in Corpus mentioned sleet last night in his forecast for Friday. I looked at the Accuweather snow profile and it shows snow getting very close to Corpus. Being this might happen Friday, how cool is it going to be for some of these high school playoff games being played in frozen precip?

Portastorm: Get the kicking boot on buddy. Just better hope you don't have an SEC Ref crew to call your kick attempt. :lol:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#475 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:08 am

My coworker's daughter just sent her a picture of snowfall out in Lubbock.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#476 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:10 am

cctxhurricanewatcher wrote:Even one of our local forecasters here in Corpus mentioned sleet last night in his forecast for Friday. I looked at the Accuweather snow profile and it shows snow getting very close to Corpus. Being this might happen Friday, how cool is it going to be for some of these high school playoff games being played in frozen precip?

Portastorm: Get the kicking boot on buddy. Just better hope you don't have an SEC Ref crew to call your kick attempt. :lol:


LOL! :lol: I'm getting ready buddy. Yeah, I hope my kicking ability is less Florida State and more Texas.

Trying to temper my enthusiasm with reason. I'd like to see Wxman57 post in the thread today and bring us some sensical thoughts from a real pro.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#477 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:12 am

Portastorm wrote: I'd like to see Wxman57 post in the thread today and bring us some sensical thoughts from a real pro.

I see him lurking, perhaps he'll offer some thoughts. :ggreen:
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#478 Postby natlib » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:13 am

Pretty steady rain in San Angelo at 9 am, but the temp is staying at 39 degrees. The Winter Weather advisory is just a county away. It will be interesting to see if we have any temp drop as the morning goes on.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#479 Postby severe » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:28 am

It's weird to read posts from people living in the Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin/San Antonio areas that point out the fact we've had more snow events lately here in the Houston area. Who woulda thunk it.
So many times as a kid I wished I were living in those areas when yet another Lone Star snow event missed us down here.
:srain, a low developing near Matagorda and tracking E/NE would indeed bring back memories of 73. :froze:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

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