HenkL wrote:Perhaps AFM also knows that the Dansgaard data is just ONE, in NW-Greenland. We do have some more these days, only some hundreds more.
The uppermost graph in the 'Climate Consensus' is from the first IPCC report in 1990. Actually, it is a graph from Lamb in 1982 re estimated Central England temperatures.
For more recent work, see:
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2009/200 ... etal_2.pdf
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/%7Emann/shared ... ence09.pdf
Both studies have uncertainties. So that's science.
I prefer them above home-brew graphics.
No...here is "science"
From: Phil Jones xxxxxxxx To: John Christy xxxxxxxx Subject: Tue Jul 5 15:51:55 2005 “The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn’t statistically significant.”
Yet...everything they have said "IN PUBLIC" states that the global temp is still rising. They sent out a report recently stating that any reports that the global temp stopped rising in 1998 are lies.
So...my answer to you is..."whatever..." The reports you list are those with bad, false data...and YOU KNOW IT. They are made by the very people who in private say "we can't account for the lack of warming..." and "the world has cooled since 1998"...but in public they say "we are still warming at a record rate and here is our data to prove it...
And you have the audacity to expect me (or any other sane person) to believe these reports are real? Are you on some sort of drugs? I have testimony from YOUR authors stating they know its cooling and they don't understand why it’s not warming...yet you want me or anyone else to trust the "facts" they give and say its "science" when they trumpet warming? That is LAUGHABLE!
Then you want to say it’s not an agenda? It’s not an agenda to say one thing in private and another in public...and one is a heretic to not trust the science?
It's settled science because all these people, these bright people say it is (yet they CRUSH peer review and dissent...privately disclose their doubts...privately ADMIT the truth). It must be truth because they say it is.
Go tell that to Copernicus.
"HIDE THE DECLINE!!!!"
Yeah...you can take that science...I'll have none of it. Mann...Jones...Gore...And the AGW agenda out there supporting their ilk are the same people who would have burned Copernicus at the stake. Same people...different era. That may sound extreme but it is the truth. They crush dissent through ad hominem attacks and crushing peer review (where is the research money for natural cyclical GW research? Not there…the agenda WON’T allow it!)...they privately admit the truth but their private words do not match their public ones...and they are hypocrites. They live to a standard that violates the very principle they are trying to impose on others. And if they get their way...they will still live the high life...while denying others the same pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. They will still take their limo’s and fly their private jets.
And they will sell themselves carbon credits…and make a billion dollars in the process.
And this is the bottom line: The socialist movement just has a new face. It figured out that coming at it from an economic argument turned people away…and so they co-opted the environmental movement. That’s not AFM’s take on it…that is Patrick Moore’s take (and I agree)…and he is the co-founder of Greenpeace.
I’m done speaking to anyone who wants to use Mann or Jones as a source. They have proved themselves as liars and men of dishonor. I do know this…the truth will come out. It always does. I also know this. The American People…the ones who saved Europe twice last century…will save themselves this time. Whatever our President says at Copenhagen…he won’t get anything ratified by our Senate. That is the wisdom of our founding fathers.