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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#601 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:20 pm

Ivanhater wrote:Lol..half the 12z Euro Ensembles took this to Florida, other half agrees with the ops....

Cut and dry forecast, I think not

That actually reminds me a lot of Hurricane Isabel right after she formed. There were thoughts she'd recurve and follow Fabian out to sea (over Bermuda), or get caught by the ridge and head toward Florida. She decided to split the middle and sight see NC and the Northeast.
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#602 Postby meebo » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:25 pm

Who is best & most alweys right w storms? NHC or HPC?
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#603 Postby Weatherfreak14 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:27 pm

meebo wrote:Who is best & most alweys right w storms? NHC or HPC?


Well, in all honesty its usually the NHC because its their area and field to track tropical weather and hurricanes
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#604 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:29 pm

The CMC clear outlier but you can see the models have swang a little west there Ivanhater...not going to make much difference if there isn't much to track mind you if the shear really is as bad as progged.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#605 Postby Blown Away » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:30 pm

What's up with the BAMD?? Second run in a row doing the 90 degree turn to the SW?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#606 Postby ROCK » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:41 pm

love the NOGAPS out what 24hrs....straight NW.....yeah right... :D
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#607 Postby P.R.Cane » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:43 pm

newbie here....i like to follow the tropics but don't know much about the models....what's up with that bamd model? Is it reliable? Im from PR and that model takes the storm very near us....and I've also been looking at the satellites and I believe it's moving a little more west than the NHC predicted...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#608 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:44 pm

ROCK wrote:love the NOGAPS out what 24hrs....straight NW.....yeah right... :D


Yeah, the HWRF does the same thing as well and that just won't happen, I mean there is a nice big upper high aloft quite clearly at the moment!
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#609 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:33 pm

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
258 PM EDT MON AUG 02 2010

VALID 12Z THU AUG 05 2010 - 12Z MON AUG 09 2010


A SIGNIFICANT WRINKLE IN THE FORECAST IS TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR
IN THE CENTRAL TROPICAL ATLANTIC. THE DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE
MOVES THIS SYSTEM NEAR OR OFFSHORE THE EAST COAST OF NORTH AMERICA
OVER THE NEXT WEEK. THE 12Z GFS/12Z CANADIAN ARE THE FARTHEST
WEST BRINGING IT TOWARDS FLORIDA IN 6-7 DAYS...WHILE THE 12Z
ECMWF/12Z UKMET ARE WELL TO THE RIGHT TRYING TO RECURVE THE SYSTEM
JUST EAST OF THE 70TH MERIDIAN. THE ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE WITH THIS
FEATURE HAS ALSO BEEN QUESTIONABLE WITHIN ANY OF ITS 00Z AND 12Z
RUNS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS...THOUGH ITS MULTI-DAY WAVERING
FAVORS THE WESTERN ROUTE MOVING THE LOW JUST NORTH OF THE GREATER
ANTILLES UP THE EAST SIDE OF THE BAHAMA BANK AND OFFSHORE THE
FLORIDA COAST. NHC TOOK THE EASTERN ROUTE AT 15Z WHICH WAS A
SIGNIFICANT BREAK FROM YESTERDAYS 16Z NHC/HPC AGREED UPON POINTS.
SEE NHCS LATEST DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING THEIR FORECAST REASONING.
BEYOND FRIDAY MORNING...THE WEAKENING TROUGH IN THE EAST IS NOT
EXPECTED TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO CAUSE FULL RECURVATURE. THE COL
IN THE FLOW PATTERN SHOULD REMAIN TO ITS NORTH...SO THE AGREED
UPON POINTS FOR LATE THIS WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK TAKE THE
SYSTEM NORTHWEST IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF THE CAROLINAS SOUTH
OF THE NORTHWARD MIGRATING SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS EXPECTED TO
REACH THE 33RD PARALLEL EARLY NEXT WEEK. SEE THE LATEST FORECASTS
FROM NHC CONCERNING THE FUTURE OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR.



Source:

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/pmdepd.html
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#610 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:35 pm

Not sure if the above has been posted. If so I apologize. Either way it is a rather interesting discussion.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#611 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:39 pm

18z GFS Rolling

6 hours

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#612 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:40 pm

Much stronger from the start on this run from the GFS, the 12z barely showed any surface relfection.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#613 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:42 pm

18 hours

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#614 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:51 pm

36 hours

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#615 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:56 pm

42 hours

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#616 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:57 pm

Heading WNW at the moment, should clear the islands by a fair distance again on the Vort map again...looking less likely this will be a problem for the islands at least now looking at the models, CMC is a outlier.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#617 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:01 pm

54 hours

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#618 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:08 pm

Just south of the 20/60 benchmark, looks a touch further north on this run right now but not by much at all really.

ps, gaining that odd looking multiple vort. look again by 72hrs...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#619 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:08 pm

78 hours

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Four - MODELS

#620 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:12 pm

96 hours

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