ATL: NICOLE - Ex Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#981 Postby jhpigott » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:23 am

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It's interesting to note that the upstream flow is backing more to a southerly flow with the influence of the trough starting to lessen in terms of a W to E dry air intrusion. You can tell by checking out how the low-mid level steering winds have shifted to a more Sly direction early today. Even more obvious is the KMLB and KJAX radars showing precipitation generally north of and offshore Cape Canaveral starting to build west. Meanwhile, there's not been much Eward progression for the western back-edge of the light to moderate rain across Southeast Florida. As the system wraps up today, this should foster a sharp precipitation boundary across Florida, with areas east of a line from about Everglades City to Lake Okeechobbee to perhaps Daytona Beach being under the threat for some heavy rainfall and squally conditions.

The RUC and local WRF models also suggest that the depression might wrap-up midday. These models have been very persistent over the last 12 hours or so in showing surface winds reaching 20 to 30 knots along the SE Florida metros this afternoon with higher gusts in intense convective bands (which these models have also been persistent with).

Based on the steering flow and Theta-E patterns, the system's surface low should track close to the TPC track. I'd not write TD16 off just yet. The latest satellite patterns are becoming interesting, and then the FL Straits have some very warm water. Recall, too, that 1999's Irene ramped-up quickly in this same region with a similar frontal boundary set-up - and Irene developed from a similar broad NW Caribbean low.

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Interesting. Jay and wxman57 seem to have different lines of thought. Wx seems to write this event off for Florida as just a rain event and Jay leaves the door open for some nastier weather.
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#982 Postby Weatherboy1 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:27 am

The system certainly seems to be tightening up a bit, so an upgrade to Nicole could come today. Lots of rain late yesterday, more (but lighter so far) today, here in Jupiter. But no wind to speak of as others reported.
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#983 Postby artist » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:27 am

on long range Key West radar loop is there some turning going on? I don't see a center, but I do see some turning. Anyone else?

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?prod ... x&loop=yes
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#984 Postby wxman57 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:28 am

I agree on the 20-30 kt winds across southeast Florida today, so no disagreement there. In my opinion, though, 25-35 mph sustained wind is quite insignificant as far as TCs go. And I said that I do expect the low will produce TS winds along the coast from the Carolinas to New England (40-45 mph with higher gusts) as an extratropical storm merged with the cold front. So I think the impact will be greater once it becomes extratropical tomorrow.

Here's a recent plot with satellite overlay. I did see a WNW wind on that 2nd island to the right of the Isle of Pines in the past hour or two. That would indicate a center inland over Cuba but really a broad low with a trough extending southward. That ship with the 35 kt (42 mph) wind is 325 miles south of the low.

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#985 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:33 am

invest man wrote:just curious, does anyone here think that nhc will ever pull the trigger for nicole on this system?


If RECON measures tropical storm winds, they will.
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#986 Postby psyclone » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:37 am

any reports out of jamaica? it looks like they have been in or close to extremely heavy rain for a full day now. the caribbean in general looks like it is fermenting from roatan all the way to haiti. that is something else.
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#987 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:37 am

canes04 wrote:Am I missing something? I'm no expert, but it appears the center is relocating near 21 and 81 and drifting North.

...DISORGANIZED DEPRESSION BRINGING HEAVY RAINS TO SOUTHEAST
FLORIDA...THE BAHAMAS...EASTERN CUBA...AND JAMAICA...CENTER
RELOCATED...


SUMMARY OF 800 AM EDT...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.6N 81.4W
ABOUT 150 MI...240 KM S OF MARATHON FLORIDA
ABOUT 230 MI...375 KM SSW OF MIAMI FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...996 MB...29.41 INCHES
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#988 Postby sandyb » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:39 am

does anyone else ever get excited when its almost time for new update from the nhc? waiting to see what they say next!
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#989 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:41 am

sandyb wrote:does anyone else ever get excited when its almost time for new update from the nhc? waiting to see what they say next!


always!
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#990 Postby invest man » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:42 am

HURAKAN wrote:
sandyb wrote:does anyone else ever get excited when its almost time for new update from the nhc? waiting to see what they say next!


always!


there earning there money with this one! This has got to be like a nagging cold that will not go away,lol! IM
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#991 Postby Macrocane » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:50 am

The SSD had Nicole on the name of the floater.
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#992 Postby AdamFirst » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:51 am

How many center relocations have we had already?

I don't think this is a viable tropical cyclone but i m perfectly fine with them creating one to increase public awareness for a potentially dangerous situation (flooding rain).
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#993 Postby Trader Ron » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:52 am

Looks like the eastern half of the Florida Peninsula is wet, and western half is dry.

Partly to Mostly sunny here in Naples. :)
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Re: ATL: SIXTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#994 Postby Andy_L » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:53 am

NHC site says Nicole now
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#995 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:53 am

TROPICAL STORM NICOLE DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL162010
1100 AM EDT WED SEP 29 2010
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#996 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:57 am

TS warnings for SFL are canceled.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#997 Postby Sanibel » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:58 am

Sunny and breezy here with lower clouds in motion east to west.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#998 Postby petit_bois » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:58 am

Based on the updated forecast track...all watches and warnings for
Florida have been discontinued.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#999 Postby Steve H. » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:59 am

Present movement off to the NE. Should keep Her well offshore. Do I buy that completely? Unless she pivots and goe "negative tilt" she will go thru the Bahamas only.
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#1000 Postby AdamFirst » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:59 am

All warnings discontinued for Florida. Enjoy the rain folks.
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