I'm walking a fine line of skepticism here. I suppose I just don't want to be disappointed.

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serenata09 wrote:Is it just me or does the cold weather keep getting pushed further and further back. I seem to remember just a couple days ago that the models were showing the intense cold beginning this coming Sunday...?
I'm walking a fine line of skepticism here. I suppose I just don't want to be disappointed.
Texas Snowman wrote:Not sure what the source of this poster's story is, but here is some info on the 1899 freeze that struck Texas. It was also one of the worst arctic invasions in U.S. history:
Ntxw wrote:Don't take this to the bank yet, but the Canadian shows moisture in the deep cold air. IF this were snow you'd be talking very high ratios from very little moisture, something commonly seen in the higher plains. Just an outside thought from one particular run way far out.
orangeblood wrote:Ntxw - I think we're getting into a comfortable enough window to say that this outbreak is coming. My question is - Do you Have any predictions yet on the duration of this event? All models are now showing major height rises across Alaska and Northwestern Canada starting later this week into next week. With any north-south orientation of the jet, that 1060 plus high pressure would have to head south almost due to gravity alone. You're talking about very very dense cold air that with any north-south orientation of the jet for just a short amount of time would bring that south and spread out across most of the country. It would seem like it would take days to scour that kind of air out once it makes it down here ?
HockeyTx82 wrote:serenata09 wrote:Is it just me or does the cold weather keep getting pushed further and further back. I seem to remember just a couple days ago that the models were showing the intense cold beginning this coming Sunday...?
I'm walking a fine line of skepticism here. I suppose I just don't want to be disappointed.
I think it all starts on Sunday with the real cold coming in later in the week. In waves seems to be the consensus.
Ntxw wrote:Don't take this to the bank yet, but the Canadian shows moisture in the deep cold air. IF this were snow you'd be talking very high ratios from very little moisture, something commonly seen in the higher plains. Just an outside thought from one particular run way far out.
BTW the GGEM has a 1068mb high crossing over which is more in line with the earlier euro run.
Ntxw wrote:Though the Euro isn't epic cold like the 12z, it does put north Texas at or below freezing for 72 hours (possibly more but doesn't go out that far yet) so again seems like a long duration event. Virtually all of Texas will be at or below freezing simultaneously at some point.
1052 mb on the Euro
*For the folks who are worried about runs looking bad, this is just one run and the euro not too long ago wasn't showing anything relatively close to a big cold event, it was just the 12z today that things latched on so hang in there as models vary this far out
Texas Snowman wrote:HockeyTx82 wrote:serenata09 wrote:Is it just me or does the cold weather keep getting pushed further and further back. I seem to remember just a couple days ago that the models were showing the intense cold beginning this coming Sunday...?
I'm walking a fine line of skepticism here. I suppose I just don't want to be disappointed.
I think it all starts on Sunday with the real cold coming in later in the week. In waves seems to be the consensus.
The Dec. 1983 cold invasion came in waves. Reinforcing cold shots, increasing snow cover to the north, and even some snow cover early on here in North Texas all conspired to provide the 295 consecutive hours of sub-freezing weather observed at DFW Airport and in Sherman/Denison (where I live).
I think that will be what will happen here. Perhaps no mega-monster invasion where temperatures plummet to single digits, but one front, then a day or two later, another, and so on.
orangeblood wrote:They must have made some new hires over here in Fort Worth. Their discussions have been much more informative compared to years past.
Portastorm wrote:And the "winner" of the morning AFDs comes from NWSFO Fort Worth:
MAIN WEATHER STORY IS THE COLDER WEATHER EXPECTED INTO THE REGION
NEXT WEEK. THERE REMAINS EXCELLENT AGREEMENT AMONG THE MODELS THAT
A PATTERN CHANGE WILL OCCUR AS BLOCKING UPPER HIGHS/LOWS DEVELOP
AND PERSIST ACROSS THE NORTHERN LATITUDES. A COLD AIR MASS WILL
BEGIN TO DEVELOP AND ORGANIZE ACROSS WESTERN CANADA THIS WEEKEND
WITH SURFACE TEMPS THERE BEGINNING TO FALL BELOW 0 AS A LARGE
SPRAWLING SURFACE HIGH GATHERS INTENSITY. THIS CANADIAN AIR MASS
IS POISED TO MOVE SOUTH AND ARRIVE INTO NORTH TEXAS BEGINNING
MONDAY. SINCE THE UPPER PATTERN STAYS BLOCKED...THE GATES TO THE
NORTH WILL REMAIN OPEN AND COLD AIR WILL CONTINUE TO POUR SOUTH
INTO THE CENTRAL US FOR SEVERAL DAYS. THUS IT IS WITH HIGH
CERTAINTY THAT WE CAN SAY AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF COLDER THAN
NORMAL WEATHER WILL OCCUR IN NORTH TEXAS NEXT WEEK.
AS FAR AS HOW COLD...AND WHETHER THIS EVENT WILL BE ONE OF THOSE
MEMORABLE DECADE EVENTS...IS ANOTHER QUESTION. AT LEAST THROUGH
FRIDAY JAN 14TH...ODDS ARE THAT THIS COLD SPELL WILL NOT BE
ANYWHERE NEAR RECORD TERRITORY AND LOOKS COMPARABLE TO THE ONE
LAST YEAR IN EARLY JANUARY. LAST NIGHT I WROTE ABOUT THE BENEFITS
OF ANALYSIS OF THE SOURCE REGION OF THESE COLD AIR MASSES...
PARTICULARLY AT THE 500MB-700MB LEVEL. I DUG UP THE UPPER AIR DATA
FROM A DOZEN OF OUR BIGGEST COLD SNAPS SINCE 1970. THESE HISTORIC
ARCTIC OUTBREAKS UNANIMOUSLY CONTAINED 500-700MB TEMPS 5 TO 10 DEG
C COLDER THAN WHAT ANY MODEL IS FORECASTING OVER CANADA THIS
WEEKEND. IN ADDITION 850MB TEMPS ACROSS THE NORTHERN US ARE
FORECAST TO BE ABOUT 5 DEG C WARMER EARLY NEXT WEEK THAN WHAT OUR
SIGNIFICANT OUTBREAKS HAD. THUS WE CAN MAKE FORECAST TEMPERATURE
EXTRAPOLATIONS BASED OFF A MODEL/S UPPER AIR FORECASTS 5 DAYS OUT
RATHER THAN RELYING ON A MODEL/S SURFACE TEMP FORECAST 10 DAYS OUT
WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PRONE TO MORE ERRORS.
SO FOR THE SPECIFICS...MONDAY/S HIGHS SHOULD LIKELY BE IN THE 40S
AS FROPA OCCURS THAT MORNING. LOWS MONDAY NIGHT SHOULD BE IN THE
20S AREA WIDE WITH BREEZY NORTH WINDS CONTINUING. HIGHS TUESDAY
THROUGH FRIDAY LOOK TO STAY IN THE 30S AREA WIDE DESPITE GENERALLY
SUNNY SKIES. WINDS SHOULD SUBSIDE MORE BY MID LATE WEEK WITH LOWS
LIKELY IN THE TEENS TO LOW 20S EACH NIGHT.
BEYOND JAN 14TH...IT IS TOUGH TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
YESTERDAY/S MODEL RUNS WERE MORE BULLISH THAT NEXT WEEK/S COLD
SPELL WAS JUST THE START OF SOMETHING MORE SERIOUS. THE LATEST
GFS/ECMWF/GEM OPERATIONAL RUNS AND ENSEMBLE MEANS AT 240 HOURS ARE
DEPICTING AN UPPER LEVEL PATTERN NOT EXACTLY FAVORABLE FOR A
HISTORIC OUTBREAK. THEY HAVE ALL TRENDED THE BLOCKING HIGH OVER
ALASKA EITHER TOO FAR NORTH OR TOO FAR WEST INTO SIBERIA. THIS
MEANS THE POSITIVELY TILTED UPPER TROUGH AXIS OVER THE SW US /A
CRUCIAL COMPONENT TO GET AN ARCTIC OUTBREAK HERE...AND A KEY TO
MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SO-CALLED MCFARLAND PATTERN
SIGNATURE/ BECOMES IN QUESTION...SINCE A POSITIVE TILT TROUGH OR
KINK OFTEN NATURALLY DEVELOPS SOUTHEAST OF AN UPPER HIGH. WITHOUT
THIS TROUGH THE REAL ARCTIC AIR JUST HAS A TOUGH TIME MAKING IT
THIS FAR SOUTH. HOWEVER...ABOUT 1/3 OF THE ENSEMBLE MEMBERS KEEP
THIS SW TROUGH IN TACT...AND THEY SHOW A VERY COLD/INTENSE POLAR
LOW DEVELOPING OVER CANADA AND THE US IN 10 DAYS. LOTS OF
UNCERTAINTY AND MODELS WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE DAILY. BUT THE
REASON WHY WE ARE WATCHING THIS SO CLOSELY IS BECAUSE A 30 PERCENT
CHANCE OF OCCURRENCE IS PRETTY HIGH FOR AN EVENT WHICH WOULD HAVE
ENORMOUS AND WIDESPREAD ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR REGION...AS
WE LEARNED IN THE DEEP FREEZES OF 83 AND 89.
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