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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5561 Postby downsouthman1 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:57 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:
downsouthman1 wrote:I didn't see this posted in the forum.

Check this out!!!

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf_24hr/ ... obs_sn.php


You talking about Saturday? If so what's that all about?


It's not Saturday. Over in the right, select Day 3. Then it'll show you accumulating snow forecast from 0Z Fri - 0Z Sat, which is 6PM CST Thur - 6PM Fri.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5562 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:58 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:Ok, so I see lots of stars out there just now. Forecast says it will be

Tonight: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 6. Wind chill values between -7 and -12. Windy, with a north northwest wind between 15 and 25 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph

If those clouds are gone could we go lower?

Also, they say clouds in the forecast tomorrow. Do Arctic air masses clear out at night and cloud up during the day by chance?


If it clears, could go lower. Clouds tomorrow will be from the forming upper low that is forecasted to trek the state in 2 days.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5563 Postby pwrdog » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:58 pm

I'm with Linder..

Maybe not 1895! But a more widespread 2004 is not out of the question..?

Banding from Victoria to Jasper?

That energy out west looks very strong right now and should eject everything on a more northernly track than 2004... More like the storm today..

I know it could still be a bust... But Wow!. This is officially the most interesting snowstorm I've ever watched heading to SE Texas in my 30 years of weather watching..

This has my head spinning..
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#5564 Postby AggieSpirit » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:02 pm

It has not been this cold since Dec 1989 - at least while I was in town.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5565 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:11 pm

NWS is going 6 above tonight, 7 above tomorrow night in Sherman/Denison.

I'm betting it is colder than that.

Skies have partially to mostly cleared out so far tonight. I'm going with 4 in Sherman/Denison tonight. If we don't go overcast tomorrow night, I'm going with -2 in Sherman/Denison.

Easily the coldest Arctic air invasion since 1996 and likely the coldest since 1989.

Guess we did in fact get our SEVERE cold this winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5566 Postby iorange55 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:13 pm

I just tried the going outside thing again. I had two pairs of pants and a long sleeve shirt plus a jacket. Hat plus a tightly wrapped hood and my legs were a lot warmer...however unless you have a ski mask I just don't see how you can predict your face.

My poor nose :cry:
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5567 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:15 pm

I mean, after all, look at the source region just to the north of the Red River.

BTW, Tulsa is forecast to go to -8 tomorrow night. I bet they'll go colder than that too.

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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5568 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:17 pm

GFS did pretty well with this storm, it was the trend setter. NAM wasn't so good. It either overdid things or underdid them at varying times even up to the event.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5569 Postby iorange55 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:19 pm

Schools are already closing for tomorrow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5570 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:21 pm

iorange55 wrote:Schools are already closing for tomorrow.


Yep, all of the major ones are closed. Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Garland, Plano etc.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5571 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:23 pm

iorange55 wrote:Schools are already closing for tomorrow.


Up here in the Red River counties, there's no question about cancelling school tomorrow. Roads are EXTREMELY treacherous up here, nearly as bad as I've seen.

I'm not sure that they'll go to school up here on Thursday either.

EDIT: Haven't heard this mentioned so far, but school closures today and tomorrow have to be helping with power supply. I would imagine that power demand is or will be at near record levels in the next 24-48 hours.
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#5572 Postby southerngale » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:25 pm

I'm not sure why they're doing this tomorrow, but from KFDM:


Deweyville schools delayed start Wed-Friday
February 01, 2011 6:58 PM

DEWEYVILLE - Deweyville schools will begin one hour later on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday mornings.

All buses will run one hour later.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5573 Postby txagwxman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:27 pm

southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU:

Potentially a historic snow event in the making for SE TX. Models continue to trend wetter and while QPF is not all that int he GFS its moisture fields above the surface are for sure. Am starting to think the CMC is on the right track here and feel some impressive totals will be possible with meso scale banding. Could easily see 3-5 inches across the entire area with bands over 6-8 inches (my latest e-mail has a discussion of the thinking, if someone could post it). I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here?

Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.

Catching on eh?
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#5574 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:27 pm

southerngale wrote:I'm not sure why they're doing this tomorrow, but from KFDM:


Deweyville schools delayed start Wed-Friday
February 01, 2011 6:58 PM

DEWEYVILLE - Deweyville schools will begin one hour later on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday mornings.

All buses will run one hour later.


My guess is so the kids won't have to wait during the coldest period of the day especially with wind chills.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5575 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:28 pm

txagwxman wrote:
southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU: I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here? Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.
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Catching on eh?


Who would have forecast a white Christmas, nearly 10 inches of snow in Corpus, and 14+ inches in Victoria on Dec. 24, 2004?!? :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5576 Postby txagwxman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:31 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:
txagwxman wrote:
southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU: I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here? Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.
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Catching on eh?


Who would have forecast a white Christmas, nearly 10 inches of snow in Corpus, and 14+ inches in Victoria on Dec. 24, 2004?!? :D

I forecasted it a week out (won a big bet a work). Didn't think we would we see 14" though.
I am quite clueless on snowfall totals.
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#5577 Postby southerngale » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:31 pm

Ntxw wrote:
southerngale wrote:I'm not sure why they're doing this tomorrow, but from KFDM:


Deweyville schools delayed start Wed-Friday
February 01, 2011 6:58 PM

DEWEYVILLE - Deweyville schools will begin one hour later on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday mornings.

All buses will run one hour later.


My guess is so the kids won't have to wait during the coldest period of the day especially with wind chills.


Yeah, maybe so, but I wouldn't think one hour later would make much difference. It will still be early and awfully cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5578 Postby gboudx » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:34 pm

southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU:

Potentially a historic snow event in the making for SE TX. Models continue to trend wetter and while QPF is not all that int he GFS its moisture fields above the surface are for sure. Am starting to think the CMC is on the right track here and feel some impressive totals will be possible with meso scale banding. Could easily see 3-5 inches across the entire area with bands over 6-8 inches ([b]my latest e-mail has a discussion of the thinking, if someone could post it). I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here?

Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.
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Was it posted? He sent it around 5:30. Here it is in either case:

Impressive arctic air mass pouring into the region late this afternoon with temperatures at or below freezing along and N of a line from Columbus to Tomball to Livingston. Cold air advection showing no signs of giving up with NW winds still howling at 25-35mph driving wind chills into the teens. Temperature records may be tied or broken over the next few days. Appears this will be the coldest air across N TX since the great outbreak of Dec 1989.

After reviewing full 12Z guidance, pattern upcoming pattern resembles that of past historical snow events over TX and is almost a mirror image of the very impressive 2004 Christmas event (only difference is more moisture and a stornger upper level storm, yes stronger than 2004!!!). CMC model refuses to back down on its very impressive snow fall totals and the GFS is starting to trend wetter. Not sure why the GFS and ECMWF are not producing more QPF as they show good moisture advection and near saturated surface to 500mb by late Thursday night completely below freezing. Given the forecast location of a developing coastal low, very strong upper level forcing and dynamics, and good Gulf moisture advection it all points to widespread heavy snowfall with impressive meso scale banding features.

With ground temperatures expected to be below freezing much of the time leading up to the event there will be little to no warmth for melting as the snow starts and this fact alone will help beef up totals.

If I would have forecasted a foot of snow in Victoria in 2004, I probably would not have believed myself much less expected others to believe me...and I have a really hard time forecasting totals more than 2-3" at this time. However I am becoming increasingly concerned that a potential historic snow event may be in the making and totals could be greater than 6-8 inches over parts of the area. Under meso scale banding hourly snowfall rates could approach 1-2 inches of accumulation with visibilities dropping to near 1/4th of a mile. Where these bands set up we could really see totals ramp up quick.

Right now will expand the 1-3" snow fall to include much of the area north of a line from Port Lavaca east to the coast near Palacios and then to High Island and inland to HWY 105. South of a line from Port Lavaca to San Antonio a mix of snow/sleet will cut totals down into the 1/2 to 1.5 inch range.

Extended period of sub freezing temperatures prior to the event will result in rare significant snow accumulation not only on bridges but all surface streets. Expect all roadways to become snow covered creating very dangerous driving conditions by late Thursday evening.

Suspect a Winter Storm Watch will be issued on Wednesday for the entire area or parts of the area as we move to within 36-40 hours of the onset of the event.
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#5579 Postby iorange55 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:47 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5580 Postby cperez1594 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:53 pm

Check out the update from Brownsville NWS about the upcoming Snow/Sleet/Ice Event!
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/bro/news/2011/pdf/EarlyFebruaryArcticBlast_February1.pdf
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