ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

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#281 Postby NDG » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:38 am

Dean4Storms wrote:
NDG wrote:The circulation south of Kingston is in the mid levels not at the surface.


My comment and position is south of the western tip (Negril), not eastern where Kingston is located.

Just clarifying if you were responding to my post.


No, I was not responding to your post. I know what you were talking about.
Was just talking in general to those looking at the circulation south of Kingston.
I do agree with you about the surface circulation south of the western tip of the island, it seems to be wanting to take over as the main surface circulation, but could be just another eddie.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#282 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:00 pm

12z Canadian...into the Gulf

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#283 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:02 pm

Early June in the Caribbean...looks suspicious to me

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#284 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:09 pm

uh oh

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#285 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:10 pm

Afternoon discussion by Dr Jeff Masters

A large, wet, and disorganized tropical disturbance (Invest 94L) continues to spread heavy rain to the Central Caribbean near Jamaica. Rain has fallen continuously at Jamaica's Kingston Norman Manley Airport since midnight, with 1.89" having fallen from midnight to noon local time. Sustained winds of 24 mph also affected Kingston between 7am and 8am this morning. Satellite-estimated rainfall amounts of 1.4" per hour occurred in ocean regions 100 miles to the southeast of Kingston this morning, and heavy rains of up to 1/2" per hour are probably affecting portions of Jamaica early this afternoon, judging by the recent increase in heavy thunderstorm activity seen on visible satellite loops. This imagery also shows a slow increase in organization of 94L in recent hours, with spiral bands beginning to develop to the southeast of the center. There is a broad, poorly-defined circulation apparent that is not well enough defined to make 94L a tropical depression. Water vapor satellite loops show a region of dry air on the west side of 94L, and this dry air is interfering with the storm's organization. However, upper air balloon soundings from Kingston and the Cayman Islands taken at 8am EDT this morning show much moister air at mid levels of the atmosphere compared to Saturday (2% humidity at 500 mb on Saturday, compared to 49% this morning at Grand Cayman), and 94L appears to be gradually overcoming its dry air issues. Wind shear remains in the moderate range, 15 - 20 knots, and is predicted by the SHIPS model to remain below 20 knots through Tuesday morning. Water temperatures in the Central Caribbean are about 1°C above average, 28 - 28.5°C, which is 2°C above the threshold needed to support development of a tropical storm.

Since 94L is so large and is battling dry air, it is taking its sweet time to develop, and today's mission by the Hurricane Hunters has been cancelled. A new mission is scheduled for Monday afternoon at 2pm EDT. This morning's 06Z model runs are pretty unimpressed with 94L, with most of them showing little or no development. NHC is giving the disturbance a 30% of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. If 94L stays to the south, its chances of development are greater, since a band of very high wind shear of 30 - 50 knots lies over Cuba and the southern Bahama Islands. The disturbance is expected to meander slowly westward or northward over the next two days, with Jamaica and southeastern Cuba being the primary targets for very heavy rains of 4 - 8 inches through Tuesday. The Cayman Islands, Haiti, and Central Cuba can expect somewhat lesser rains of 3 - 6 inches. If 94L does develop into a tropical depression and moves northwards over Cuba by Wednesday, I don't see the storm attaining hurricane strength, due to the high wind shear. The primary threat from 94L will be very heavy rains, capable of causing life-threatening flash flooding.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#286 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:12 pm

12z Nogaps

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#287 Postby Dean4Storms » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:15 pm

Eastern half of the Gulf of Mexico is definitely in play with the future of 94L. The big $$ question is just how developed it becomes.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#288 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:16 pm

12z Canadian and Nogaps show a strengthening tropical storm into the Western Florida panhandle/Coastal Alabama.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#289 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:21 pm

Michael, what about UKMET? I ask because it was taken out from the FSU site and I can't find it.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#290 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:22 pm

Canadian down to 990mb into Pensacola

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#291 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:24 pm

I usually wait for it on raleighwx Luis
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#292 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:37 pm

Up to 40%

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT SUN JUN 5 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED IN
ASSOCIATION WITH A BROAD LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 150
MILES SOUTHWEST OF JAMAICA. ALTHOUGH SURFACE PRESSURES ARE ONLY
SLOWLY DECREASING...SOME GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LARGE
DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS WINDS IN
THE MIDDLE LEVELS OF THE ATMOSPHERE BRIEFLY BECOME SOMEWHAT
FAVORABLE. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AN AIR FORCE
RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE LOW
PRESSURE AREA MONDAY AFTERNOON...IF NECESSARY. REGARDLESS OF
DEVELOPMENT...HEAVY RAINS COULD CAUSE FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES
OVER PORTIONS OF HAITI AND JAMAICA AS THE SYSTEM MOVES SLOWLY
TOWARD THE NORTHWEST OR NORTH OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

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FORECASTER STEWART
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#293 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:38 pm

Might be game on
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#294 Postby Dean4Storms » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:39 pm

Where are you seeing NOGAPS 12z into the Panhandle Michael?

Nevermind, I just saw the previous page.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#295 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:40 pm

Ivanhater wrote:Might be game on


very much so. new convection popping even closer to the broad low.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - MODELS

#296 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:43 pm

Another view of the Canadian

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Here is the link for the Nogaps Dean..sometimes it will not show the direct images if your browser is blocking it. Click on Surface (10meter) at 150 hours

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cg ... t=Tropical
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#297 Postby Migle » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:44 pm

I saw that one band that it had at 3AM and thought it was done. Crazy how much changes in 8 hours.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - DISCUSSION

#298 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:47 pm

Migle wrote:I saw that one band that it had at 3AM and thought it was done. Crazy how much changes in 8 hours.


That is how the tropics work. In many instances, surprises arise when you dont expect.
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#299 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:52 pm

2 pm discussion:

CARIBBEAN SEA...
A 1007 MB LOW IS CENTERED SW OF JAMAICA AT 17N79W. THIS LOW IS
EMBEDDED IN A MONSOON TROUGH THAT EXTENDS FROM JAMAICA AT 18N76W
TO 17N79W TO NICARAGUA AT 13N83W TO EL SALVADOR AT 14N90W.
SCATTERED MODERATE TO ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS E OF THE LOW
CENTER FROM 10N-20N BETWEEN 73W-78W. ISOLATED MODERATE
CONVECTION IS ALONG THE COAST OF HONDURAS FROM 15N-17N BETWEEN
83W-86W...AND OVER PANAMA AND THE SW CARIBBEAN FROM 8N-12N
BETWEEN 79W-83W. MORE SCATTERED MODERATE TO ISOLATED STRONG
CONVECTION IS OVER THE E CARIBBEAN FROM 13N-17N BETWEEN 64W-73W.
IN THE UPPER LEVELS...AN UPPER LEVEL HIGH IS CENTERED OVER THE W
CARIBBEAN NEAR 16N80W. ZONAL FLOW IS OVER THE E CARIBBEAN.
CONSIDERABLE UPPER LEVEL MOISTURE COVERS THE ENTIRE CARIBBEAN
AND CENTRAL AMERICA. EXPECT...THE SURFACE LOW TO DRIFT N OVER
THE NEXT 24 HOURS WITH CONTINUED CONVECTION.

I found it interesting where they said the low was located...
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#300 Postby KWT » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:52 pm

Whats interesting is how the feeder band from the south has really strengthened, no doubt that has helped really fire up the rest of the convective mass.

Does look much better then it did 12hrs ago thats for sure.
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