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#21 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:01 am

NDG, it has been quite an interesting season thus far in the ATL basin. It seems that we are having several systems form either at or above 25 degrees laditude, while our deep tropical waves at the lower latitudes have struggled to maintain themselves. Plus, we still have not yet officially had our first hurricane in the ATL basin. Very fascinating to this point.

NDG, the small swirl/vort north of PR may find a small window of opportunity to perculate as maybe the shear may let up as it approaches the Bahamas region the next 36 hours or so. However, if it tries to get going, the trough forecast to reach the East Coast should pull this small feature poleward eventually.
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#22 Postby NDG » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:07 am

northjaxpro wrote:NDG, it has been quite an intersting season thus far in the ATL basin. It seems that we are having several systems form either at or above 25 degrees laditude, while our deep tropical waves at the lower latitudes have struggled to maintain themselves. Plus, we still have not yet officially had our first hurricane in the ATL basin. Very fascinating to this point.

NDG, You are right. The small swirl/vort north of PR may find a small window of opportunity to perculate as maybe the shear may let up as it approaches the Bahamas region the next 36 hours or so. However, if it tries to get going, the trough forecast to reach the East Coast should pull this small feature poleward eventually.


But quite the contrary in the GOM, where north of 25N has been a dead zone.
This La Nina pattern has been relentless. Will we see a pattern change in September? There's the possibility, but IMO is getting slimmer and slimmer, especially that now we are seeing ENSO cooling down faster than forecasted a couple of months ago by models.
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#23 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:24 am

NDG wrote:Vis sat loop this morning still shows the weak vorticity north of P.R.
Very limited convection with it this morning.
Forecasted to track slowly WNW to NW over the next few days, convection may increase as the trough of low pressure digs down the eastern US over the next couple of days, helping to create some UL divergence on this surface feature.

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This sucks having to watch a naked swirl this morning, the only thing interesting over the next 7 days or so that would be closest to the US which may not even affect FL afterall, lol.


Yep. it should begin to move into a more favorable environment in the next 12 to 24 hrs which should allow convection to form.
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#24 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:26 am

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Re: Another Disturbance?

#25 Postby HurricaneBelle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:41 am

Bastardi thinks this is going to affect FL later in the week, per his twitter feed:

Note.. FLA weather will get disturbed late week from yet to be seen system near Hispaniola now.
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#26 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:13 pm

This is an excerpt from the 2:00 p.m. Tropical Weather Discussion from NHC regarding the surface trough currently located just north of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. At this time, NHC is forecasting a west to west/northwest track for this system:


THE SURFACE TROUGH N OF THE GREATER ANTILLES
WILL TRACK W REACHING THE FAR SE BAHAMAS TONIGHT THEN MOVE
THROUGH THE REMAINDER ISLANDS THROUGH TUE BEFORE REACHING THE NW
BAHAMAS AND FLORIDA WED INTO THU.
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#27 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:01 pm

Looks like convection is trying to increase in the area. Perhaps this will be tagged invest 97L soon.
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#28 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:31 pm

SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks like convection is trying to increase in the area. Perhaps this will be tagged invest 97L soon.


During the past few hours SouthDadeFish convection is now beginning to get started around the area where the small vort/swirl is located, which is now approximately at 22.0 N 68.5 W. The area continues moving west.

If the convection can continue to build and sustain though the evening, then we shall see what NHC will do with maybe declaring this an invest. I have followed this area with considerable interest since it broke off away Thursday from the entity 94L, which is now T.S. Gert.
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#29 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:47 pm

Yeah I'm just impressed it has maintained the 850mb vort and convection is increasing during D-min.
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Re: Another Disturbance?

#30 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:36 pm

UL winds are relaxing, so could have a chance to fire some deep convection overnight and at DMAX.

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Re: Another Disturbance?

#31 Postby sittingduck » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:50 pm

Is this the same area that is now over the southeastern part of cuba? I am maybe seeing a bit of a turning there.
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Re: Another Disturbance?

#32 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:25 pm

I don't think this is anything llike 2005. In 2005 we started with a bang and there
was never a lull. As we all know it was quite active throughout to say the least.


ozonepete wrote:Wow. There really seems to be an explosion of activity. Is that another disturbance popping up southwest of 94L? It certainly seems to have developed into a completely separate area.

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This sudden activity spike is reminding me of 2005.
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#33 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:36 pm

Although this is a part of the same boundary its farther south... the area just south of cuba is actually looking more interesting this afternoon. See a decent mid level circ and some low level cu clouds flowing in from the south and NW off cuba. may have to watch that as well..
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#34 Postby northjaxpro » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:04 pm

Aric, that is the southern extension of the same surface trough that broke away from then 94L last Thursday. NHC stated earlier this afternoon that a weak upper level Low southwest of Eastern Cuba was interacting with the trough. The northern extension of the trough is moving through the SE Bahamas.

2:00 p.m. TWD excerpt from NHC:

THE CARIBBEAN SEA...

A SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS ACROSS THE MONA PASSAGE ALONG 23N70W TO
18N76W SUPPORTING SCATTERED SHOWERS/ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS
WITHIN 200 NM NW OF THE AXIS ACROSS ERN CUBA. A WEAK UPPER LEVEL
LOW IS TO THE SW OF THE TROUGH WHICH MAY BE HELPING TO ENHANCE
SOME OF THE ACTIVITY
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#35 Postby northjaxpro » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:13 pm

8 p.m. TWD excerpts. The surface trough still moving west/northwest.

ATLANTIC OCEAN.....

A SURFACE TROUGH IS
MOVING ACROSS THE SE BAHAMAS AND EASTERN CUBA FROM 23N72W TO
19N77W GENERATING SCATTERED HEAVY SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS
WITHIN 60 NM ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS. EXPECT MORE CONVECTION
TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE WATERS NEAR CENTRAL CUBA AND CENTRAL
BAHAMAS AS THE SURFACE TROUGH DRIFTS WNW.

CARIBBEAN SEA.....

SIMILAR CONVECTION IS OVER THE COASTAL
WATERS OF EASTERN CUBA AND NRN JAMAICA N OF 18N BETWEEN
75W-80W...ASSOCIATED TO A SURFACE TROUGH ANALYZED FROM 23N72W TO
19N77W.

EXPECT MORE
CONVECTION TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE WATERS NEAR CENTRAL CUBA AND
NRN OF JAMAICA AS THE SURFACE TROUGH DRIFTS WNW.
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#36 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:58 pm

clear rotation.. small system.. but something to watch for sure..

http://www.insmet.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB ... B1=RADARES
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#37 Postby NDG » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:48 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:clear rotation.. small system.. but something to watch for sure..

http://www.insmet.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB ... B1=RADARES


Yeah, nice vorticity, but it appears to be in the mid levels. Will be interesting to see vis sat pics in the morning to see if it tries to develope a surface reflection.
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#38 Postby Clint_TX » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:31 pm

Thanks Tony....looks like the tail end of the trough might trying to do something
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Re: Another Disturbance?

#39 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:11 am

thats looks more like mid level than a ULL south of Cuba....some nice convection down there....
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Re: Another Disturbance?

#40 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:46 am

ROCK wrote:thats looks more like mid level than a ULL south of Cuba....some nice convection down there....

Yeah I mentioned its in the mid levels but at the surface there is a trough with a wind shift that is lagging behind the mid level a little. none the less convection died again anyway. lol
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