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Re: ATL : EIGHT - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1441 Postby dwsqos2 » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:48 am

Oh there have definitely been some repectable storms that passed quite close to Honduras. I won't debate that.

Anyway, while the 32 knots at 850 mb doesn't justify an upgrade yet, SAB and TAFB were both T2.5 at 1145Z.
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Re: ATL : EIGHT - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1442 Postby ozonepete » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:50 am

Pretty likely that this will get upgraded sooner or later between now and tomorrow morning.
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1443 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:54 am

Plane is headed south, along the western edge of the storm

URNT15 KNHC 191248
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 30 20110819
123830 1641N 08413W 8429 01568 //// +135 //// 043028 030 043 023 05
123900 1639N 08413W 8436 01560 0104 +140 //// 052025 027 040 014 05
123930 1638N 08413W 8428 01566 0098 +155 //// 055025 026 030 005 01
124000 1636N 08413W 8430 01562 0095 +157 //// 054023 024 028 005 01
124030 1634N 08412W 8432 01560 0095 +156 //// 054024 024 031 005 01
124100 1632N 08412W 8432 01560 0096 +155 //// 053024 025 030 006 01
124130 1631N 08412W 8429 01561 0094 +157 //// 051022 022 028 006 05
124200 1629N 08412W 8430 01560 0091 +161 //// 046022 023 028 006 05
124230 1627N 08412W 8430 01558 0089 +163 +161 038022 023 029 003 00
124300 1625N 08412W 8432 01560 0089 +165 +162 033020 020 028 003 00
124330 1624N 08412W 8430 01562 0091 +164 +162 027021 021 027 003 00
124400 1622N 08412W 8433 01561 0093 +163 +162 026020 020 027 002 00
124430 1620N 08412W 8430 01563 0096 +160 //// 023021 021 025 002 05
124500 1618N 08412W 8432 01562 0096 +159 //// 023020 021 026 001 01
124530 1616N 08411W 8430 01563 0096 +159 //// 026022 023 024 002 01
124600 1615N 08411W 8430 01562 0095 +156 //// 027022 023 025 003 01
124630 1613N 08411W 8429 01562 0096 +155 //// 023022 023 025 004 01
124700 1611N 08411W 8433 01561 0098 +155 //// 020021 022 027 003 01
124730 1609N 08411W 8430 01562 0099 +155 //// 018021 021 025 003 01
124800 1607N 08411W 8433 01561 0097 +155 //// 014021 021 025 001 01
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1444 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:03 am

Now making a southwest-northeast pass of the storm.

URNT15 KNHC 191258
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 31 20110819
124830 1605N 08411W 8430 01562 0097 +155 //// 017021 022 024 002 01
124900 1604N 08411W 8430 01562 0096 +157 //// 013019 020 023 000 05
124930 1602N 08411W 8430 01563 0096 +159 //// 010019 019 025 000 01
125000 1600N 08411W 8429 01563 0095 +160 //// 003020 020 027 001 01
125030 1558N 08410W 8428 01564 0094 +162 +160 002020 020 026 000 03
125100 1556N 08410W 8433 01561 0093 +164 +158 356017 018 025 001 00
125130 1555N 08410W 8428 01567 0092 +168 +138 357018 018 022 000 03
125200 1553N 08410W 8429 01562 0090 +170 +135 359018 018 022 001 03
125230 1551N 08410W 8431 01560 0089 +168 +141 001018 019 015 001 03
125300 1550N 08408W 8429 01560 0088 +170 +139 358016 016 020 000 03
125330 1551N 08407W 8433 01557 0086 +172 +133 354017 018 021 000 00
125400 1551N 08405W 8433 01558 0088 +167 +155 354018 018 023 000 03
125430 1552N 08404W 8429 01558 0087 +165 +157 352018 018 023 000 00
125500 1552N 08402W 8432 01556 0086 +164 +160 354019 020 025 000 00
125530 1553N 08400W 8428 01558 0086 +162 //// 353019 020 024 000 01
125600 1553N 08359W 8430 01558 0087 +163 //// 350019 021 026 000 05
125630 1554N 08357W 8431 01556 0085 +164 +159 352021 022 026 001 03
125700 1554N 08356W 8428 01558 0089 +157 //// 346022 023 028 002 01
125730 1555N 08354W 8429 01556 0088 +157 //// 346025 026 030 004 01
125800 1555N 08352W 8439 01543 0091 +143 //// 349022 023 047 017 05
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Re: ATL : EIGHT - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1445 Postby Adoquín » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:03 am

[quote="dwsqos2"]Oh there have definitely been some repectable storms that passed quite close to Honduras. I won't debate that.

Do I hear Mitch? :P

with 8, now the question is how are those upper mid level winds doing cause track, climo, water temps, humid air sans SAL, favorable forward speed are all there already.i it could become a respectable TS by landfall.
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1446 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:16 am

Through the center into the northeast quadrant.

URNT15 KNHC 191308
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 32 20110819
125830 1556N 08351W 8432 01550 0081 +159 //// 351025 026 045 012 05
125900 1556N 08349W 8430 01549 0077 +163 //// 343024 026 030 005 01
125930 1557N 08348W 8433 01547 0077 +164 //// 348023 024 023 000 05
130000 1557N 08346W 8429 01549 0073 +167 +160 355023 024 025 001 03
130030 1558N 08344W 8428 01549 0071 +167 +161 351027 028 025 000 03
130100 1558N 08343W 8429 01545 0067 +169 +160 352020 023 023 000 03
130130 1559N 08341W 8433 01539 0069 +166 //// 352018 019 028 000 01
130200 1559N 08340W 8428 01545 0066 +166 //// 347015 018 028 003 01
130230 1600N 08338W 8432 01539 0062 +167 //// 003013 014 027 000 05
130300 1600N 08336W 8433 01537 0058 +172 //// 352013 014 028 000 01
130330 1600N 08334W 8432 01537 0057 +172 //// 341014 014 027 000 05
130400 1600N 08333W 8430 01535 0054 +177 +168 342011 012 022 001 03
130430 1600N 08331W 8436 01530 0051 +179 +174 353012 012 021 000 00
130500 1601N 08330W 8433 01533 0048 +182 +175 348011 011 023 000 03
130530 1601N 08328W 8429 01534 0046 +182 +175 331010 011 020 002 00
130600 1602N 08326W 8434 01527 0045 +180 +176 334009 009 018 000 03
130630 1602N 08325W 8429 01532 0043 +181 +176 334006 007 013 000 03
130700 1603N 08323W 8429 01530 0040 +186 +169 300002 004 011 000 03
130730 1604N 08322W 8430 01528 0035 +195 +166 156007 008 013 000 03
130800 1605N 08320W 8430 01530 0035 +197 +161 148011 014 013 001 03
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1447 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:21 am

URNT15 KNHC 191318
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 33 20110819
130830 1606N 08319W 8432 01532 0037 +198 +160 145016 017 018 000 03
130900 1607N 08318W 8430 01534 0043 +192 +165 147018 020 021 000 03
130930 1608N 08316W 8431 01534 0047 +185 +168 153021 021 022 000 00
131000 1609N 08315W 8433 01534 0049 +182 +174 153023 025 024 001 00
131030 1610N 08313W 8430 01538 0055 +176 //// 151023 026 027 001 05
131100 1612N 08313W 8428 01541 0062 +161 //// 150026 028 /// /// 05
131130 1613N 08312W 8427 01544 0065 +165 //// 152028 029 034 003 01
131200 1614N 08310W 8429 01544 //// +152 //// 152030 031 043 016 05
131230 1616N 08309W 8433 01545 //// +149 //// 132027 029 038 006 05
131300 1617N 08308W 8429 01549 0074 +161 //// 127029 030 033 002 05
131330 1618N 08307W 8428 01551 0073 +166 +166 124029 029 031 000 03
131400 1619N 08306W 8432 01547 0073 +169 +162 125029 030 030 000 00
131430 1620N 08305W 8431 01551 0078 +166 //// 129030 030 030 000 05
131500 1621N 08303W 8433 01552 0080 +165 //// 127029 030 030 000 05
131530 1622N 08302W 8429 01556 0084 +161 //// 127031 032 030 000 01
131600 1624N 08301W 8432 01551 0087 +155 //// 124031 033 030 000 01
131630 1625N 08300W 8440 01544 0085 +160 //// 127034 034 029 000 01
131700 1626N 08259W 8428 01555 0082 +160 +157 130035 035 027 000 03
131730 1627N 08258W 8429 01555 0084 +160 +156 132033 033 026 000 03
131800 1628N 08256W 8432 01556 0086 +160 +158 130032 033 027 000 03
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Re: ATL : EIGHT - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1448 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:26 am

Lowest pressure at pass was 1003.5 mbs.
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1449 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:27 am

URNT12 KNHC 191325
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL082011
A. 19/13:07:10Z
B. 16 deg 03 min N
083 deg 23 min W
C. 850 mb 1459 m
D. 30 kt
E. 255 deg 26 nm
F. 350 deg 28 kt
G. 255 deg 21 nm
H. 1004 mb
I. 17 C / 1523 m
J. 20 C / 1522 m
K. 17 C / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 12345 / 8
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF302 0308A CYCLONE OB 13
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 38 KT NE QUAD 13:18:30Z
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1450 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:31 am

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URNT15 KNHC 191328
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 34 20110819
131830 1629N 08255W 8430 01556 0088 +160 +150 132036 037 028 000 03
131900 1630N 08254W 8432 01555 0088 +159 +151 134038 038 030 000 03
131930 1632N 08253W 8428 01557 0085 +164 +151 138037 038 031 000 00
132000 1633N 08252W 8429 01557 0084 +167 +148 136037 038 031 000 00
132030 1634N 08250W 8431 01555 0088 +161 +157 133037 037 033 002 00
132100 1635N 08249W 8430 01557 0090 +159 //// 131035 036 033 004 05
132130 1636N 08248W 8428 01562 //// +145 //// 134032 034 035 007 01
132200 1637N 08247W 8437 01555 0104 +146 //// 135034 035 034 003 01
132230 1639N 08246W 8427 01567 0109 +140 //// 128031 031 035 010 01
132300 1640N 08245W 8434 01560 //// +137 //// 118033 035 035 008 05
132330 1641N 08243W 8415 01579 0097 +158 //// 114032 033 033 003 01
132400 1642N 08242W 8428 01567 0097 +160 //// 121031 033 032 002 05
132430 1643N 08241W 8427 01571 0100 +158 //// 129032 033 031 003 05
132500 1644N 08240W 8442 01555 0102 +157 //// 125033 034 031 001 01
132530 1645N 08239W 8428 01571 0104 +155 //// 124035 036 030 000 05
132600 1646N 08238W 8433 01563 0102 +156 //// 124032 033 027 002 05
132630 1648N 08238W 8432 01568 0104 +156 //// 119032 032 /// /// 05
132700 1649N 08240W 8433 01565 0102 +160 +155 118031 031 030 001 03
132730 1650N 08241W 8433 01566 0101 +161 +156 120031 032 032 002 03
132800 1651N 08243W 8430 01568 0098 +166 +154 115031 032 036 001 03
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1451 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:42 am

URNT15 KNHC 191338
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 35 20110819
132830 1652N 08245W 8429 01569 0101 +158 //// 113032 032 033 000 05
132900 1653N 08246W 8430 01569 0101 +159 //// 112031 032 032 000 05
132930 1654N 08248W 8426 01571 0101 +156 //// 112031 032 034 005 01
133000 1655N 08250W 8429 01567 0106 +148 //// 113031 031 037 007 01
133030 1656N 08252W 8430 01567 //// +139 //// 100028 029 038 010 05
133100 1656N 08254W 8434 01563 0102 +156 //// 100031 031 041 000 05
133130 1656N 08256W 8433 01565 0099 +160 //// 102032 032 037 001 05
133200 1656N 08258W 8430 01566 0097 +165 +158 103032 033 037 000 03
133230 1656N 08300W 8427 01568 0096 +165 +157 103034 035 036 000 03
133300 1656N 08302W 8433 01561 0095 +164 +158 100033 034 035 000 03
133330 1656N 08304W 8433 01563 0096 +162 +160 100033 033 036 001 03
133400 1656N 08306W 8428 01567 0097 +160 //// 101033 033 035 001 05
133430 1657N 08308W 8433 01561 0097 +159 +156 103029 031 039 001 00
133500 1657N 08310W 8428 01566 0099 +153 //// 101031 033 040 002 01
133530 1657N 08312W 8429 01565 0094 +160 //// 095034 035 037 000 05
133600 1657N 08314W 8434 01558 0094 +160 //// 085030 032 038 000 05
133630 1657N 08316W 8429 01565 0092 +165 +161 082033 034 037 001 03
133700 1657N 08318W 8433 01561 0095 +160 //// 090036 038 035 000 01
133730 1657N 08320W 8429 01563 0092 +165 +160 094035 036 035 000 03
133800 1657N 08322W 8430 01561 0091 +163 +158 093031 032 034 000 03
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1452 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:51 am

URNT15 KNHC 191348
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 36 20110819
133830 1658N 08324W 8429 01563 0093 +160 +159 090033 034 035 000 03
133900 1658N 08326W 8430 01561 0094 +160 //// 087035 036 033 001 05
133930 1658N 08328W 8430 01561 0090 +164 +157 087036 037 036 001 03
134000 1658N 08330W 8433 01558 0090 +165 +164 078036 037 036 000 03
134030 1658N 08332W 8432 01560 0089 +165 +161 075034 035 034 000 03
134100 1657N 08333W 8424 01566 0089 +163 +161 075034 034 /// /// 03
134130 1655N 08333W 8439 01550 0088 +164 +164 075033 034 031 002 00
134200 1654N 08333W 8434 01555 0089 +161 +160 077032 033 031 002 00
134230 1652N 08332W 8433 01555 0086 +164 +157 081031 032 028 001 00
134300 1650N 08332W 8428 01561 0084 +167 +158 080030 030 029 003 00
134330 1649N 08332W 8438 01551 0089 +159 //// 085031 032 035 008 05
134400 1647N 08332W 8426 01561 //// +138 //// 101035 039 045 021 05
134430 1646N 08332W 8431 01552 //// +143 //// 103037 039 047 026 01
134500 1644N 08331W 8425 01560 //// +138 //// 095033 034 047 028 01
134530 1643N 08331W 8427 01555 //// +138 //// 095030 035 050 018 05
134600 1641N 08331W 8435 01548 0081 +162 //// 098027 027 037 005 01
134630 1639N 08331W 8427 01555 0082 +156 //// 093029 032 037 007 05
134700 1638N 08331W 8429 01551 0074 +169 +168 093030 032 033 003 00
134730 1636N 08330W 8436 01545 0072 +175 +163 094028 030 031 000 00
134800 1635N 08330W 8429 01551 0069 +175 +163 092029 030 029 000 00
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#1453 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:52 am

The last data set had an unflagged SFMR of 47 kt (flagged of 50 kt). That justifies an upgrade. If the SFMR is fully to be believed the intensity is probably 45 kt, although they will likely be more conservative than that.
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#1454 Postby HurrMark » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:54 am

There seem to be some 39 kt wind measurements in the obs plus some other high 30s...I wonder if that would be enough to upgrade...
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#1455 Postby RL3AO » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:57 am

CrazyC83 wrote:The last data set had an unflagged SFMR of 47 kt (flagged of 50 kt). That justifies an upgrade. If the SFMR is fully to be believed the intensity is probably 45 kt, although they will likely be more conservative than that.


Sorry, but SFMR is absurd. When a direct measurement doesn't support 35kts, I don't see how an indirect measurement can support even 40.
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#1456 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:59 am

RL3AO wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:The last data set had an unflagged SFMR of 47 kt (flagged of 50 kt). That justifies an upgrade. If the SFMR is fully to be believed the intensity is probably 45 kt, although they will likely be more conservative than that.


Sorry, but SFMR is absurd. When a direct measurement doesn't support 35kts, I don't see how an indirect measurement can support even 40.


A blend of the data would support 35 kt. However, there are some out there that say to never do that. So it is hard to say.
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1457 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:02 am

URNT15 KNHC 191358
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 37 20110819
134830 1633N 08330W 8429 01549 0067 +175 +160 092030 031 028 001 00
134900 1631N 08330W 8430 01548 0069 +174 +157 092031 032 028 000 03
134930 1630N 08330W 8431 01548 0070 +157 //// 092030 031 030 005 01
135000 1628N 08329W 8435 01540 0071 +162 //// 091029 030 030 001 01
135030 1627N 08329W 8432 01544 0073 +158 //// 089030 031 031 002 01
135100 1625N 08329W 8429 01545 0067 +170 +162 088030 031 030 000 03
135130 1623N 08329W 8433 01540 0063 +174 +159 087032 032 033 000 03
135200 1622N 08329W 8430 01541 0060 +175 +170 087031 032 035 000 03
135230 1620N 08328W 8429 01541 0063 +166 //// 086026 028 034 002 01
135300 1619N 08328W 8428 01540 0059 +170 //// 089021 025 033 000 01
135330 1617N 08328W 8436 01533 0052 +181 +174 092021 022 032 000 03
135400 1615N 08328W 8426 01540 0051 +182 +169 092020 021 030 000 00
135430 1614N 08328W 8431 01535 0046 +187 +167 093018 018 029 000 00
135500 1612N 08328W 8429 01535 0045 +186 +175 088017 017 026 000 00
135530 1610N 08328W 8432 01530 0040 +194 +164 091016 017 023 000 03
135600 1609N 08328W 8425 01534 0038 +191 +166 088014 014 022 000 03
135630 1607N 08328W 8433 01527 0034 +197 +163 086015 016 017 000 03
135700 1605N 08328W 8432 01527 0036 +193 +165 077007 010 014 003 03
135730 1604N 08327W 8430 01528 0039 +188 +168 189002 005 016 001 03
135800 1602N 08327W 8432 01529 0043 +182 +174 231007 010 018 001 03
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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1458 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:12 am

Appears that after hitting the northeast corner of the storm, the plane went south along the east-west axis of the storm and is now headed east along the north-south axis.

URNT15 KNHC 191408
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 38 20110819
135830 1601N 08325W 8427 01534 0052 +166 //// 232011 013 /// /// 05
135900 1601N 08324W 8439 01526 0050 +180 +177 199014 015 024 000 00
135930 1601N 08322W 8426 01539 0048 +183 +174 193016 017 027 000 03
140000 1601N 08320W 8432 01534 0053 +176 //// 189018 018 029 000 05
140030 1601N 08318W 8428 01541 0058 +174 //// 178018 019 030 002 01
140100 1601N 08317W 8425 01545 0061 +171 //// 182021 022 029 001 05
140130 1601N 08315W 8433 01539 0062 +170 //// 178020 021 027 000 01
140200 1601N 08313W 8430 01544 0067 +166 //// 182022 024 025 001 05
140230 1601N 08312W 8429 01546 0071 +165 //// 181021 022 024 000 01
140300 1602N 08310W 8433 01544 0071 +168 //// 181020 020 024 000 01
140330 1602N 08308W 8429 01550 0074 +157 //// 180018 019 029 004 01
140400 1602N 08307W 8429 01550 0078 +159 //// 182019 020 028 003 05
140430 1602N 08305W 8432 01550 0078 +164 +161 185019 020 027 001 00
140500 1602N 08303W 8429 01554 0080 +163 +162 187020 021 027 003 03
140530 1602N 08301W 8433 01551 //// +142 //// 176019 022 032 010 01
140600 1602N 08300W 8437 01547 0083 +162 //// 160020 021 029 002 05
140630 1602N 08258W 8430 01556 0086 +162 +161 160019 020 030 000 03
140700 1602N 08256W 8433 01554 0089 +157 //// 159022 024 030 001 01
140730 1602N 08255W 8429 01560 0086 +165 +160 155020 020 027 000 00
140800 1602N 08253W 8432 01557 0088 +161 +160 158019 020 026 000 00
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#1459 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:15 am

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Re: ATL: EIGHT - Recon

#1460 Postby clfenwi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:27 am

URNT15 KNHC 191418
AF302 0308A CYCLONE HDOB 39 20110819
140830 1602N 08251W 8429 01560 0088 +160 //// 161018 019 024 000 01
140900 1602N 08250W 8433 01556 0089 +160 //// 161019 019 026 000 01
140930 1602N 08248W 8433 01556 0088 +163 +154 166019 019 026 000 03
141000 1602N 08246W 8429 01561 0089 +165 +148 166019 019 026 000 03
141030 1602N 08245W 8433 01557 0090 +161 +156 164019 019 027 000 03
141100 1602N 08243W 8430 01560 0090 +163 +159 161019 020 026 000 00
141130 1602N 08241W 8433 01558 0091 +161 +155 153020 021 026 000 03
141200 1603N 08240W 8429 01562 0093 +159 +159 155021 022 024 000 03
141230 1603N 08238W 8433 01558 0095 +160 //// 159023 023 022 000 01
141300 1603N 08237W 8429 01563 0094 +160 +158 153022 023 023 000 03
141330 1603N 08235W 8428 01565 0092 +161 +153 155021 022 025 000 00
141400 1603N 08233W 8433 01560 0093 +165 +153 157020 020 024 000 03
141430 1603N 08232W 8430 01563 0095 +165 +150 157020 020 024 000 00
141500 1603N 08232W 8430 01563 0095 +165 +150 153021 022 024 000 03
141530 1603N 08232W 8430 01563 0094 +166 +146 153021 022 024 000 03
141600 1603N 08227W 8426 01569 0097 +165 +144 150023 023 024 000 03
141630 1603N 08225W 8435 01562 0096 +165 +145 147025 025 024 000 03
141700 1603N 08224W 8430 01567 0098 +165 +147 146028 028 024 000 03
141730 1603N 08222W 8433 01566 0096 +169 +142 144028 028 025 000 00
141800 1603N 08220W 8428 01569 0097 +165 +144 143026 027 025 000 00
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