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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#201 Postby Infdidoll » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:08 am

Thanks for the birthday wishes. :ggreen:

The reasoning about storms hitting from the West (not my theory but those of a few people I know who have lived here for over 20 years) was about the island being in the right front quadrant for longer because the propensity of storms hitting from that direction to usually seem to be traversing the island longways and hitting the more populated side of the island. It could make sense that there is more property damage, I guess. There are a lot less trees and windbreaks on the western side, too, due to the concrete jungle it is. Songda was the first time I got to experience it, though, and I really believe there is a little credence to the theory and we're better off with an eastern hit. Or NO hit because I need to go to the store and am not looking forward to the chaos it's going to be. lol
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#202 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:14 am

So the models seemed split between just to the west and just to the east see i na few days where exactly it will go
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#203 Postby oaba09 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:18 am

It's been cloudy and dark here all day(most likely the effect of the monsoon and nanmadol's outer rain bands). There's not much rain though.

ukmet is predicting a straight wnw track w/c is unlikely in my opinion.
I'm leaning more towards ECMWF's latest run(I just don't the STR being as strong as what UKMET is predicting)...

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#204 Postby oaba09 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:21 am

Here's the latest track from JMA:
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#205 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:24 am

See wha tthe 5 day says here shortly...I think we are in for a wild week
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#206 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:24 am

Holy £$%^

ECMWF is a horrendous run for mainland Japan, I've never seen anything like that before. Terrible for tsunami affected regions - mind boggling.

In nearer term ECMWF takes Nanmadol right over Miyako as a howler - that's where I'd aim to ride it out if the run verifies!
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#207 Postby Chacor » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:37 am

WTPQ50 RJTD 250600
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TY 1111 NANMADOL (1111)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 250600UTC 16.3N 125.2E GOOD
MOVE W SLOWLY
PRES 965HPA
MXWD 075KT
GUST 105KT
50KT 60NM
30KT 180NM SOUTH 120NM NORTH
FORECAST
24HF 260600UTC 18.0N 124.8E 70NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 950HPA
MXWD 085KT
GUST 120KT
48HF 270600UTC 19.7N 124.8E 160NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 945HPA
MXWD 085KT
GUST 120KT
72HF 280600UTC 21.4N 124.5E 210NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 940HPA
MXWD 090KT
GUST 130KT
96HF 290600UTC 22.8N 124.2E 280NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
120HF 300600UTC 24.0N 124.1E 375NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY =
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#208 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:42 am

Typhoon Hunter wrote:Holy £$%^

ECMWF is a horrendous run for mainland Japan, I've never seen anything like that before. Terrible for tsunami affected regions - mind boggling.

In nearer term ECMWF takes Nanmadol right over Miyako as a howler - that's where I'd aim to ride it out if the run verifies!



You mean no Okinawa? LOL
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#209 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:48 am

StormingB81 wrote:
Typhoon Hunter wrote:Holy £$%^

ECMWF is a horrendous run for mainland Japan, I've never seen anything like that before. Terrible for tsunami affected regions - mind boggling.

In nearer term ECMWF takes Nanmadol right over Miyako as a howler - that's where I'd aim to ride it out if the run verifies!


You mean no Okinawa? LOL


All the islands are going to get creamed in that run! Ishigaki or Miyako look primary targets at the moment but it's still 5 days out so plenty of time for things to wobble, shift, explode, merge, blow.... :)
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#210 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:01 am

Seems like most of the models bring it close to here weather on the east or west side..sunday monday I think is the ointeresting day only because by the nwe should know roughly how close it could come
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#211 Postby euro6208 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:34 am

WTPN31 PGTW 250900
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 14W (NANMADOL) WARNING NR 011
02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
250600Z --- NEAR 16.3N 125.1E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 300 DEGREES AT 06 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 030 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 080 KT, GUSTS 100 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 085 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
085 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 16.3N 125.1E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
251800Z --- 17.1N 124.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 090 KT, GUSTS 110 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 100 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
100 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 335 DEG/ 05 KTS
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24 HRS, VALID AT:
260600Z --- 18.0N 124.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 115 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
110 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
110 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 350 DEG/ 06 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
261800Z --- 19.1N 124.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
115 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 360 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
270600Z --- 19.9N 124.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 125 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 010 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
280600Z --- 21.3N 124.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 030 DEG/ 03 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
290600Z --- 22.4N 125.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 040 DEG/ 05 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
300600Z --- 23.8N 126.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
250900Z POSITION NEAR 16.5N 125.0E.
TYPHOON (TY) 14W (NANMADOL), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 630 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHWEST OF KADENA AB, OKINAWA, JAPAN, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWEST-
WARD AT 06 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL
SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS THE SYSTEM HAS DEVELOPED A WELL-DEFINED
10-NM EYE AS IT BEGAN TO TRACK ON A MORE POLEWARD DIRECTION. THE
INITIAL POSITION IS BASED ON THE ABOVE ANIMATION WITH HIGH
CONFIDENCE. THE INITIIAL INTENSITY IS BASED ON DVORAK ESTIMATES
FROM PGTW, KNES, AND RJTD, RANGING FROM 77 TO 90 KNOTS. UPPER LEVEL
ANALYSIS INDICATES TY 14W IS DIRECTLY BENEATH A RIDGE AXIS IN AN
AREA OF LOW (05-10 KT) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (VWS). ANIMATED WATER
VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS EXCELLENT POLEWARD OUTFLOW INTO A TUTT CELL TO
THE NORTH NEAR TAIWAN AND GOOD EQUATORWARD OUTFLOW ENHANCED BY THE
RIDGE. THE CYCLONE IS TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF
A DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) ANCHORED OVER THE DATELINE
NORTH OF MIDWAY ISLAND. IT IS EXPECTED TO TURN MORE POLEWARD OVER
THE NEXT 72 HOURS, THEN NORHTEASTWARD, AS IT TRACES THE WESTERN
EXTENT OF THE STR. TY 14W WILL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY AT A SLIGHTLY
HIGHER THAN NORMAL RATE DUE TO THE HIGHLY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS AHEAD - LOW VWS, WARMM SST'S, AND EXCELLENT OUTFLOW. THE
AVAILABLE NUMERICAL GUIDANCE ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT THAN IN
PREVIOUS RUNS WITH EGRR AS THE SOLE LEFT OUTLIER. THIS TRACK
FORECAST IS SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT OF CONSENSUS AT THE ONSET TO
OFFSET EGRR'S UNLIKELY WESTWARD DEVIATION, THEN A BIT MORE TO THE
RIGHT AFTER TAU 48 IN ANTICIPATION OF A POSSIBLE INTERACTION WITH
A LARGE INTENSIFYING CYCLONE TO THE EAST. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE
HEIGHT AT 250600Z IS 22 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 251500Z, 252100Z,
260300Z AND 260900Z. REFER TO TROPICAL CYCLONE 15W (TALAS) WARNINGS
(WTPN32 PGTW) FOR SIX-HOURLY UPDATES. //
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with nanmadol rapidly intensifying, that 80 knots will soon be too low...
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#212 Postby bob rulz » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:37 am

Nanmadol looks terrific...I would guess it's closer to 110kts at this time. Looks better than Irene, that's for sure. It's too bad this beauty in the making (from a meteorological perspective of course) is going to be ignored while Irene pounds the East Coast.
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#213 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:39 am

Typhoon Hunter wrote:Holy £$%^

ECMWF is a horrendous run for mainland Japan, I've never seen anything like that before. Terrible for tsunami affected regions - mind boggling.


I've never seen anything like that run if I'm honest, it takes two strong TC's into seperate parts of Japan, pretty much the whole chain of islands at some point gets TS winds from the pair.
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#214 Postby euro6208 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:42 am

funny how nanmadol with an eye at 80 knots compared to irene with no eye at 100 knots :roll:

TXPQ25 KNES 250907
TCSWNP

A. 14W (NANMADOL)

B. 25/0832Z

C. 16.5N

D. 124.8E

E. ONE/MTSAT

F. T5.0/5.0/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...MG EYE EMBEDDED IN LG AND SURROUNDED BY W FOR DT=5.0.
MET=4.5 WITH PT=5.0. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...SALEMI

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.8 / 965.3mb/ 84.8kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.8 5.3 5.8
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#215 Postby euro6208 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:59 am

am i getting this correctly? nanmadol forecast to hit western japan while talas hits eastern japan?!? :eek:

in my opinion, i think nanmadol might reach category 5 status but we will see.. i would place her intensity at 95 knots 1 minute winds right now...
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#216 Postby ejeraldmc » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:59 am

That thing keeps moving west.. uh oh :eek:
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#217 Postby dexterlabio » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:01 am

It seems that northeastern tip of Luzon and the eastern coast of Taiwan will get brushed by Nanmadol's circulation (as per JMA's latest forecast).....similar to what Florida can get as Irene approaches the US northeastern coast....well am I the only one thinking that Nanmadol has a similar track with Irene, also they are both projected to track NE in the end. :lol:
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#218 Postby dexterlabio » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:11 am

euro6208 wrote:am i getting this correctly? nanmadol forecast to hit western japan while talas hits eastern japan?!? :eek:



Yes. If I'm not mistaken, this is the year when the whole Japanese archipelago is threatened by numerous tropical cyclones, including its southern islands (Okinawa).

Kind of OT, but this is also the same year when they are hit by series of strong earthquakes and tsunami... Wind, earth and water calamities happening in a year, I couldn't imagine how can they deal with all of these. I've been to that country before on a trip, and besides being hospitable, I can say that the Japanese people are resilient and united in spite of troubles. :D I really hope they can withstand the threat of both storms headed their way and the rest that may follow.
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#219 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:15 am

euro6208 wrote:am i getting this correctly? nanmadol forecast to hit western japan while talas hits eastern japan?!? :eek:

in my opinion, i think nanmadol might reach category 5 status but we will see.. i would place her intensity at 95 knots 1 minute winds right now...


Yep thats the forecast according to the ECM, whether or not it come soff yet remainsd to be seen but that would be a heck of a 1-2 punch wouldn't it!

I think we may well get a top end 4/5 from this as long as it doesn't get hit by outflow.
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#220 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:18 am

KWT wrote:
euro6208 wrote:am i getting this correctly? nanmadol forecast to hit western japan while talas hits eastern japan?!? :eek:

in my opinion, i think nanmadol might reach category 5 status but we will see.. i would place her intensity at 95 knots 1 minute winds right now...


Yep thats the forecast according to the ECM, whether or not it come soff yet remainsd to be seen but that would be a heck of a 1-2 punch wouldn't it!

I think we may well get a top end 4/5 from this as long as it doesn't get hit by outflow.


Yeah the OHC up near the southern Ryukus is very high so I'm inclined to agree with you. The effects of Talas down the road will be key.
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