ATL: IRENE - Remnants - Discussion

[Dave]

184
URNT15 KNHC 270138
AF308 2909A IRENE HDOB 44 20110827
012900 3109N 07649W 6966 02985 9819 +125 +105 263065 065 056 002 00
012930 3109N 07647W 6963 02987 9823 +121 +106 260064 064 056 002 00
013000 3110N 07644W 6963 02990 9825 +120 +107 257065 065 056 002 00
013030 3110N 07641W 6963 02991 9826 +120 +107 253067 068 057 001 00
013100 3110N 07639W 6966 02987 9830 +117 +107 249070 071 056 002 00
013130 3110N 07636W 6961 02993 9827 +120 +107 247075 076 057 001 00
013200 3111N 07633W 6965 02994 9829 +121 +107 246076 077 058 001 00
013230 3111N 07631W 6965 02993 9835 +116 +107 244077 079 058 002 00
013300 3111N 07628W 6963 02997 9840 +114 +107 241079 080 059 001 00
013330 3111N 07625W 6967 02994 9839 +117 +106 237078 078 059 003 00
013400 3111N 07622W 6964 02998 9831 +123 +104 235078 078 063 001 00
013430 3112N 07620W 6967 02998 9825 +132 +104 236078 079 064 004 00
013500 3112N 07617W 6965 03000 9843 +116 +104 233075 076 063 005 00
013530 3112N 07614W 6963 03002 9851 +111 +105 239072 073 059 009 00
013600 3112N 07612W 6965 03001 9861 +104 +103 243075 076 061 009 00
013630 3112N 07609W 6961 03008 9862 +104 +097 245077 079 059 009 00
013700 3113N 07606W 6967 03001 9881 +090 //// 244084 087 061 012 01
013730 3113N 07604W 6968 03008 9910 +074 //// 233094 096 063 021 01
013800 3113N 07601W 6973 03003 //// +057 //// 227096 100 064 024 01
013830 3113N 07558W 6959 03020 9919 +069 //// 228090 094 060 024 01
$$
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[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KWBC 270126
NOAA2 3009A IRENE HDOB 33 20110827
011630 3118N 07854W 7525 02425 9948 +138 +107 332071 072 048 003 00
011700 3116N 07856W 7522 02431 9954 +139 +094 330070 070 047 002 00
011730 3115N 07857W 7524 02436 9965 +133 +095 327068 069 049 004 00
011800 3113N 07859W 7521 02440 9964 +136 +093 324067 068 049 004 00
011830 3112N 07901W 7525 02437 9972 +129 +101 328065 065 045 004 00
011900 3110N 07903W 7524 02440 9975 +128 +096 328066 067 043 001 00
011930 3109N 07904W 7523 02445 9979 +129 +097 325064 064 044 000 00
012000 3107N 07906W 7523 02449 9986 +123 +108 322062 063 043 001 00
012030 3106N 07908W 7524 02448 9987 +124 +110 321062 062 042 003 00
012100 3104N 07909W 7519 02455 9991 +122 +112 318058 060 042 000 00
012130 3103N 07911W 7523 02454 9994 +121 +109 315057 057 041 001 00
012200 3101N 07913W 7523 02454 9995 +122 +105 317058 059 040 002 00
012230 3100N 07914W 7532 02449 0000 +124 +099 316058 059 038 001 00
012300 3058N 07916W 7523 02464 0000 +130 +086 317058 060 038 001 00
012330 3057N 07918W 7532 02455 0005 +126 +097 319056 057 037 000 00
012400 3055N 07919W 7528 02463 9996 +141 +083 320055 056 036 001 00
012430 3054N 07921W 7531 02460 0006 +132 +082 322054 054 035 001 00
012500 3052N 07923W 7530 02463 0008 +132 +083 325055 055 039 001 00
012530 3051N 07924W 7529 02468 0012 +130 +097 324056 057 040 000 00
012600 3049N 07926W 7532 02465 0006 +139 +088 328057 058 037 001 00

Headed home?

[orion]

radar showing lots of spin markers. Those near hyde and Beaufort counties, more near Carteret and Onslow.

I believe that the online radar on http://www.wcti12.com has an interactive radar that shows meso markers and other fetures, and its free for anyone interested. The feed for that site is the MHX doppler.

I posted this in the Mid-Atlantic Prep/Impact forum, but some here may find it useful as well...

For those interested, the radar on my site has visible (or IR at night) satellite with radar overlaid and the official NHC track... I also turned on tornado warnings... hope you find it helpful... http://orionweather.net/index.php?content=radar.html

Stay safe!

[GreenWinds]

Compared to times of past U.S. hurricane landfalls, this board is unusually quiet. I remember having to hit refresh every 45 seconds or so during storms like Ike, Ivan, and Wilma. I guess it's because most ST2K'ers are from FLA and the other Gulf coast states.

[Dave]

840
URNT15 KNHC 270148
AF308 2909A IRENE HDOB 45 20110827
013900 3113N 07556W 6962 03020 9903 +084 +065 227086 088 062 015 03
013930 3114N 07553W 6963 03021 9905 +087 +059 229092 093 060 008 00
014000 3114N 07550W 6962 03023 9911 +085 +056 231094 095 060 009 00
014030 3114N 07548W 6966 03019 9908 +090 +055 232090 091 059 008 00
014100 3114N 07545W 6967 03027 9907 +095 +055 232087 088 058 007 00
014130 3114N 07542W 6964 03037 9921 +088 +055 232085 086 056 008 00
014200 3115N 07540W 6962 03040 9926 +088 +055 232085 086 055 008 00
014230 3115N 07537W 6971 03033 9925 +093 +055 230083 084 055 004 00
014300 3115N 07534W 6959 03050 9931 +088 +055 228082 082 054 003 00
014330 3115N 07532W 6964 03046 9943 +082 +055 227084 085 055 005 00
014400 3115N 07529W 6967 03050 9950 +080 +056 224087 089 055 005 00
014430 3116N 07527W 6963 03055 9950 +086 +055 222085 087 056 004 00
014500 3116N 07524W 6965 03063 9962 +080 +055 222080 083 054 003 00
014530 3116N 07522W 6958 03077 9957 +092 +055 217075 076 053 003 03
014600 3118N 07520W 6966 03070 9955 +093 +056 214074 075 /// /// 03
014630 3120N 07521W 6970 03056 9950 +092 +060 214073 074 057 000 03
014700 3122N 07520W 6965 03059 9944 +091 +065 211075 075 056 001 00
014730 3125N 07520W 6966 03058 9941 +094 +068 210075 076 056 001 00
014800 3127N 07519W 6962 03061 9940 +091 +071 209075 076 058 001 00
014830 3129N 07518W 6965 03054 //// +093 //// 208077 078 056 000 01
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[fci]

Soundside flooding in Carteret County is getting bad too. Bogue and Core sounds both over docks and seawalls already. Channel Marker Resturant in Atlantic Beach already has sound waves breaking against the building. Morehead City waterfront buildings over the water have water to the bottom of the buildings. US70 and NC12 east of Beaufort has water to the edge of the road in places.

So there is already water level with the bottom of the Sanitary Resteraunt?

Level with the bottom of the dock surrounding it. Maybe 12 inches from the floor. Only thing saving it from damage right now is that there are no waves on that side of the creek right now.[/quote]

Can anybody post what typically happens surge-wise to these structures with landfalling storms. This area is no stranger to landfalling storms and I am curious as to how this ranks so far with other storms and can hopefully put into perspective the effects of Irene compared to what usually occurs

[KatDaddy]

We are all here watching.

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KWBC 270136
NOAA2 3009A IRENE HDOB 34 20110827
012630 3048N 07928W 7531 02471 0005 +146 +078 328058 059 037 000 00
012700 3047N 07929W 7528 02478 0013 +141 +079 328059 059 036 000 00
012730 3045N 07931W 7529 02477 0023 +133 +077 326062 062 036 000 00
012800 3044N 07933W 7530 02482 0028 +132 +081 324062 062 035 001 00
012830 3042N 07935W 7531 02484 0027 +137 +081 326062 062 036 000 00
012900 3041N 07936W 7528 02490 0027 +139 +076 322062 063 035 000 00
012930 3039N 07938W 7529 02488 0028 +140 +076 323061 062 034 000 00
013000 3038N 07940W 7528 02491 0029 +138 +087 325061 061 034 000 00
013030 3036N 07941W 7529 02490 0034 +134 +089 326060 061 034 000 00
013100 3035N 07943W 7529 02492 0036 +133 +093 325059 060 034 000 00
013130 3033N 07945W 7530 02493 0040 +130 +096 326059 059 034 000 00
013200 3032N 07946W 7530 02491 0038 +132 +093 326057 058 033 000 00
013230 3030N 07948W 7480 02551 0040 +131 +092 326057 057 032 000 00
013300 3029N 07950W 7474 02560 0046 +126 +096 325055 056 033 000 00
013330 3027N 07952W 7473 02561 0052 +121 +098 324053 053 033 000 00
013400 3026N 07954W 7474 02565 0052 +125 +096 323052 053 032 001 00
013430 3024N 07956W 7473 02566 0053 +125 +096 325050 050 033 000 00
013500 3022N 07957W 7474 02566 0053 +126 +095 326049 050 032 000 00
013530 3020N 07959W 7475 02564 0055 +123 +098 328048 049 032 000 00
013600 3019N 08001W 7473 02567 0052 +127 +093 327045 045 031 001 00

[Annie Oakley]

000
URNT12 KWBC 270110
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 27/0047Z
B. 32 DEG 17 MIN N
77 DEG 0 MIN W
C. NA
D. 69 KT
E. 058 DEG 37 NM
F. 158 DEG 96 KT
G. 059 DEG 68 NM
H. 951 MB
I. 15 C/2446 M
J. 20 C/2443 M
K. 18 C/NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345/NA
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA2 3009A IRENE OB 22 AL092011
MAX FL WIND 99KT SE QUAD 2347Z
MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND 77 KT SW QUAD 0113Z
DROPSONDE SPLASHED WITH 2KT OF WIND AT THE SURFACE
MAX FL TEMP 20C 245 / 7 NM FROM FL CENTER

[CronkPSU]

Compared to times of past U.S. hurricane landfalls, this board is unusually quiet. I remember having to hit refresh every 45 seconds or so during storms like Ike, Ivan, and Wilma. I guess it's because most ST2K'ers are from FLA and the other Gulf coast states.

I was thinking the same thing, this board was crazy last Friday/Saturday nights....I remember all those other storms well, especially the night of Katrina and how we saw it "breaking down" turning right and thinking hey maybe we dodged a big bullet...and then being here hearing the reports of the levees breaking and the devastation all over the gulf coast

[Jevo]

radar showing lots of spin markers. Those near hyde and Beaufort counties, more near Carteret and Onslow.

I believe that the online radar on http://www.wcti12.com has an interactive radar that shows meso markers and other fetures, and its free for anyone interested. The feed for that site is the MHX doppler.

I posted this in the Mid-Atlantic Prep/Impact forum, but some here may find it useful as well...

For those interested, the radar on my site has visible (or IR at night) satellite with radar overlaid and the official NHC track... I also turned on tornado warnings... hope you find it helpful... http://orionweather.net/index.php?content=radar.html

Stay safe!

Great link.. All of those meso vortices up near the OBX is a scary thing.. Squalls traveling that fast dragging water spouts will turn into tornados very quickly... Usually they are weak and fast moving.. but a tornado is a tornado

[mpic]

Compared to times of past U.S. hurricane landfalls, this board is unusually quiet. I remember having to hit refresh every 45 seconds or so during storms like Ike, Ivan, and Wilma. I guess it's because most ST2K'ers are from FLA and the other Gulf coast states.

maybe because the NE usually has no reason to be here unless they are weather enthusiasts or they are busy getting to safety?

[Dave]

086
URNT15 KNHC 270158
AF308 2909A IRENE HDOB 46 20110827
014900 3131N 07517W 6965 03056 //// +091 //// 209077 078 058 002 01
014930 3133N 07516W 6965 03053 //// +089 //// 211077 077 058 003 05
015000 3136N 07515W 6965 03053 //// +088 //// 209078 079 057 000 01
015030 3138N 07514W 6964 03053 //// +089 //// 204078 079 058 001 05
015100 3140N 07513W 6964 03047 //// +094 //// 199083 084 057 002 01
015130 3143N 07512W 6964 03051 //// +095 //// 199085 086 056 000 01
015200 3145N 07512W 6967 03043 //// +095 //// 199084 084 055 002 05
015230 3147N 07511W 6965 03049 //// +090 //// 198084 084 056 000 05
015300 3150N 07510W 6963 03046 //// +090 //// 197085 086 055 000 01
015330 3152N 07509W 6964 03046 //// +089 //// 196086 086 055 001 01
015400 3154N 07508W 6963 03045 9928 +089 +087 195084 085 056 002 00
015430 3157N 07507W 6967 03044 9929 +086 +083 195084 084 057 002 00
015500 3159N 07506W 6963 03045 9936 +081 +078 197084 086 056 002 00
015530 3201N 07505W 6968 03038 9938 +081 +074 194081 082 057 003 00
015600 3203N 07504W 6961 03047 9948 +074 +069 191084 086 057 007 00
015630 3206N 07503W 6968 03042 9952 +074 +065 189086 087 057 007 00
015700 3208N 07502W 6962 03049 9954 +070 +062 188087 088 054 007 00
015730 3210N 07501W 6967 03048 9956 +070 +059 187085 088 056 005 00
015800 3213N 07500W 6966 03047 9955 +075 +058 182083 084 055 005 00
015830 3215N 07459W 6963 03049 9944 +082 +056 180079 080 055 003 00
$$
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[jabber]

For me it that I just went outside and it was calm. I know... but when I track a storm for over 14 days and it come to my neck of the woods I want a little wind.... flame away...

[SNOW_JOKE]

Could be those in the path now have 'other' things to worry about than following posts on the internet currently, or power outages in the places currently experiencing TS winds are losing power or internet traffic speeds making any browsing difficult.
Could be anything, but definitely not anything down to people 'not caring.'

[ConvergenceZone]

Compared to times of past U.S. hurricane landfalls, this board is unusually quiet. I remember having to hit refresh every 45 seconds or so during storms like Ike, Ivan, and Wilma. I guess it's because most ST2K'ers are from FLA and the other Gulf coast states.

Watching the weather channel now as Irene comes ashore. I've always been addicted to the live reports ...


off topic: I know, this board is usually bogged down with tons of posters. I've seen this board busier when I have an invest than it is now....
I've very suprised about this.

[fci]

I just heard the CNN Met compare Irene to a Ice Skater with her arms open... Spinning around...

It's going to be a long 2 days

Plus I heard him say that if Irene brings in "those arms" quickly that there could be a dramatic increase in the winds.
Shouldn't he be more knowledgeable than that??
NO ONE is forecasting any dramatic increase in intensity!!

[WeatherLovingDoc]

Some where discussing the difference between storm surge and storm tide. Here is how Brian R. Jarvinen, National Hurricane Center, Retired distinguishes them in: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/12Tides.pdf


STORM SURGE

Storm surge is the abnormal rise of water caused by the wind and pressure forces in a hurricane.
The dominant of these two forces is the wind. Some of the wind’s energy is transferred to the
water to form waves. The waves, in turn, transfer some of their energy downward to form
currents. In the deep ocean these currents rotate about the hurricane with little effect on water
elevation. However, as the hurricane tracks toward a coastline, it first encounters the continental
shelf and the currents, especially on the right side of the hurricane, begin to be slowed and
compressed resulting in a rise of water which is the storm surge. As the hurricane continues
toward landfall at the coastline and moves inland, the process continues and the height of the
storm surge increases. In addition, the funneling or squeezing effect of bays and estuaries
enhances the storm surge and in many cases the maximum heights are found at the heads of these
bays and estuaries. This will readily become apparent from the data and analyses of these
hurricanes.


STORM TIDE

The combination of hurricane generated storm surge and the tide is called the storm tide.
Because of the nature and size of the forces generating these two phenomena, they act almost
independent of one another. Thus, if a hurricane creates a storm surge of 10 feet at a location on
the coast, the 10 feet will occur no matter what part of the oscillation the tide is in. In our tide
example above, if the tide is high (plus 2 feet msl) and the storm surge maximum of 10 feet
occurs, the storm tide will be 12 feet msl. On the other hand, if the tide is low (minus 2 feet msl)
when the maximum occurs then the storm tide will be 8 feet msl. Since the tide could be
anywhere in its oscillation the storm tide could range from 8 to 12 feet msl. Obviously, the worst
case scenario is maximum storm surge occurring at high tide.

[capepoint]

@FCI. Most of these structures that are built over the water are wooden, and they have trap doors built into the floors which can be opened to allow the tide to enter the building. Yes they get floodwater damage, but they won't float off of the pilings. These building are old enough that they have no insulation, so as the tide falls, the water runs out. A few days of clean-up, and they are as good as new. Anything important is stcked up high or removed prior to the storm.
As noted earlier, should these building be destroyed, they could not be rebuilt now because of new codes and laws. They are allowed to remain only because of being grandfathered in under the new codes. Should they recieve more that 50% damage, they would have to be removed.

Also, there are a lot of older homes around here that have these trap doors as well. Same process during flooding. Many of these older homes were origionally built in Core and Shackleford Banks communities around the turn of the last century. They were floated across to the mainland on barges after those population centers were abandoned and the people moved to safer areas on the mainland due to several destructive hurricanes around 1900. Google Diamond City North Carolina sometime.

Right now, we have had worse flooding, but then again, the real surge won't get here until tomorrow. Will try to let you know then how this compares to other storms.

[KatDaddy]

Does not matter if you live along the GOM or NE US when it comes to hurricane. Yes the NE US has been spared over the years and the GOM has taken hits but when you are in the path reality sets in and you best have a plan in place.