Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands - (Is invest 92L)

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Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands - (Is invest 92L)

#1 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:23 am

This pouch is what all the global models develop.

http://www.met.nps.edu/~mtmontgo/P21L.html

P21L
12N, 16W
700 hPa


ECMWF: Relatively large pouch that "dives" southwestward into the ITCZ and then "pull" northwestward. During the 48-72-hour period, ECMWF depicts an E-W elongated pouch, with a potential secondary center farther to the east but within the large pouch. I track the weak western portion during that period, which seems more consistent with the single center that is eventually depicted at 84 hours and beyond.

GFS: Unlike ECMWF, the GFS P21L pouch is easy to track. After P21L "dives" into the ITCZ, GFS depicts another circulation forming to the east of P21L. This sounds similar to ECMWF, but there's a difference. ECMWF depicted one large pouch with a couple of potential centers. GFS is depicting separate, relatively strong pouches. P21L then continues moving westward as an intense pouch, and the other pouch to the east remains strong, too.

UKMET: Like ECMWF & GFS, UKMET "dives" into the ITCZ as it emerges from Africa. Like GFS, UKMET depicts another ITCZ/monsoonal circulation to the east. However, unlike GFS, UKMET soon dissipates that other circulation, and P21L then moves along to the west as a single, easily tracked, strong pouch. Phase speed determined by "cutting the corner", which gives an average speed between the slow early period and the faster later period.

NOGAPS: Like the other models, NOGAPS "dives" into the ITCZ; even more so than the other models. Then P21L moves off to the west as an intensifying, single pouch. Phase speed determined by "cutting the corner", which gives an average speed between the slow early period and the faster later period.

HWRF-GEN: Not available.


ECMWF -6.5 v700 120h
GFS -6.5 v700 120h
UKMET -7.3 v700 & RH 120h
NOGAPS -6.0 v700 120h
HWGEN ---- ---- ---h

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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#2 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:26 am

We can post from now on the runs from the global models,instead of posting them at the Global Model Runs Discussion thread.
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#3 Postby x-y-no » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:28 am

Big flip-flop in the GFS with this one.

0z run depicts a strong storm in the Atlantic (192 hours):

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which goes on to recurve out to sea without affecting the islands ...

6z loses it completely (186 hours, same timepoint as above):

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#4 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:47 am

Big fish on the 12Z run today, 240 hours.

What happened to the ridging across the Atlantic? Looks like it is gone

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#5 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:22 pm

:uarrow: well if that verifies, Joe Bastardi's saying that the pattern has it heading towards the east coast would be way off.
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#6 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:02 pm

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#7 Postby SFLcane » Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:05 pm

gatorcane wrote:Big fish on the 12Z run today, 240 hours.

What happened to the ridging across the Atlantic? Looks like it is gone

[img]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3589/12zgfs500mbhghtpmsltrop.gif[ /img]


Yep...With the current overall pattern recurve seems probable.
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#8 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:59 pm

12z ECMWF is stronger than the 00z run.

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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#9 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:02 pm

with those short waves moving over Canada this guy will be swept out to sea at that lat.....does make for an impressive storm though....
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#10 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:53 pm

12Z FIM at 240 hours shows a big fish also and is closer to the GFS solution:

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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#11 Postby HurricaneMaster_PR » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:49 pm

This surely looks to have the potential for tropical cyclone formation within the next few days as indicated by some computer models.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... r4_floater
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#12 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:53 pm

The 18z surface analysis place a low pressure.

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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#13 Postby HurricaneMaster_PR » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:00 pm

12Z Nogaps

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#14 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:19 pm

12z cmc: 144 hours

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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands

#15 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:56 pm

20%

A LARGE AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS JUST OFF THE WEST COAST OF
AFRICA IS ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE. THIS WAVE IS SHOWING
SOME SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION...AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS APPEAR
CONDUCIVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD AT ABOUT 10
MPH.

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#16 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:10 pm

Continues to look like it will become a named system. I do notice the nogaps and cmc bring this pretty far west. The Gfs has recurved it into the Central Atlantic for the past couple of runs. Seems too far east. The ECMWF seems more reasonable right now.
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands - 20%

#17 Postby Ivanhater » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:32 pm

I agree Gator...models will continue to shift south and west as they have done all season but this is most likely a recurve imo. Should be a big one though. As for any U.S threats, looks closer to home. Could have something sneak into the Caribbean in a week or so.
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Re: Pouch P21L SE of CV Islands - 20%

#18 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:33 pm

Thread is locked as is invest 92L.
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