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Re: Re:

#441 Postby swampdude » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:45 pm

psyclone wrote:
bella_may wrote:I'm afraid if this thing goes into the central gulf or eastern gulf it will be much stronger than Lee!!

well quite honestly that's not really saying much. Lee was always an awkward, clunker of a storm. and this one looks very disjointed and convectively anorexic at the moment. certainly nothing to lose sleep over at this point. i realize it is the heart of hurricane season and things can change quickly (that's why we're all here) but thus far this has definitely been a quantity over quality season. a great many names have been checked off the list that even ardent weather geeks will have trouble recalling in a year or 2.

And as a "survivor" of Rita, Humberto, and Ike, I love forgettable Hurricane seasons. My memories are plenty vivid even after a few years! :D
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Re: ATL: NATE - Recon Discussion

#442 Postby clfenwi » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:46 pm

Worth noting that an amended TCPOD was put out earlier this evening. No substantive changes though... An early morning flight was added for Friday "morning" and the invest mission for tomorrow afternoon was re-designated as a fix mission. Next mission takes off at 11:30 AM EDT. Schedule for Thursday into Friday morning.

FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 76
A. 08/1800Z
B. AFXXX 0215A NATE
C. 08/1530Z
D. 20.1N 91.9W
E. 08/1730Z TO 08/2200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO -- NOAA 49
A. 09/0000Z
B. NOAA9 0315A NATE
C. 08/1730Z
F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT

FLIGHT THREE -- TEAL 77....(ADDED)
A. 09/0600Z
B. AFXXX 0415A NATE
C. 09/0330Z
D. 20.4N 92.1W
E. 09/0530Z TO 09/1000Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#443 Postby Senobia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:49 pm

tobol.7uno wrote:All model runs are now complete. Not much to say about this... Really unsure.
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What caused this Texas split, some kind of high/ridge?
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#444 Postby SootyTern » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:50 pm

meriland23 wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if this decided to take a turn for the worst. Had two bfs before named nate and they were both a** holes.


My worst boyfriend was named Ivan. I dumped him during Wilma. A friend of mine in the Panhandle dumped his girlfriend during Ivan. Unfortunately her name wasn't Wilma.

OK, back to the topic...
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#445 Postby ozonepete » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:51 pm

TYNI wrote:
Air Force Met wrote:
TYNI wrote:I see no circulation at all with this storm at the moment... just some scattered convection...


Uh...

191700 1936N 09257W 9875 00162 //// +215 //// 269051 053 045 001 05

213530 2101N 09224W 9874 00146 //// +257 //// 094028 028 026 002 01

If you can't see a circulation with 50 knots of west winds...and 30 knots of east winds...

Then I can't help ya :lol:



That's why I am not a professional met... some of us are learning


TYNI, I can vouch for Air Force Met. He's not a mean guy, just a stickler for science. :wink: He's one of our best. We just get a lot of flip comments on here and sometimes it's hard to tell who's just dropping a comment with no support behind it. Try using emoticons or just say something like "I may not be sure about what's going on, but..." and you'd be surprised how many people will jump on here and explain the science in a very polite way. I noticed you've been coming around a lot and we encourage it.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#446 Postby ROCK » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:01 pm

Looks like a sheared mess right now but given his environment I guess its the best it can do....not fully detached from the front to me...
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#447 Postby LaBreeze » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:06 pm

Local met mentioned that Nate may just meander for a few days and then head to Mexico, but that he was keeping an eye just in case Nate throws a curve ball at us. A curve to Texas with the rainfall would be nice.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#448 Postby LaBreeze » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:08 pm

Just curious - what areas are considered NE GOM, Central (North) GOM, and NW GOM? Is there a particular dividing line that most people use on here? I was just wondering - thanks in advance.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#449 Postby TYNI » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:09 pm

ozonepete wrote:TYNI, I can vouch for Air Force Met. He's not a mean guy, just a stickler for science. :wink: He's one of our best. We just get a lot of flip comments on here and sometimes it's hard to tell who's just dropping a comment with no support behind it. Try using emoticons or just say something like "I may not be sure about what's going on, but..." and you'd be surprised how many people will jump on here and explain the science in a very polite way. I noticed you've been coming around a lot and we encourage it.


Thanks Ozone, I understand. I'm a newbie, trying to learn, and admittedly usually agree with recon, sat, and pro mets. I honestly did not see a closed circulation. I see it better now, though Nate looks like he has a few days of stubble to get rid of...

I always have respect for AirForceMet, for his service to his country and to this board. Just tired of the flogging. People are getting a little too antsy, and I'm sure AFM is working many hours to look out for our interests.

Back on topic I have looked at all the sat loops of Nate, I see circulation, but wish we had quickscat back to give me what I was looking for... ascat doesn't quite give it to me.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#450 Postby ozonepete » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:17 pm

:uarrow: Yeah I miss Quikscat too. These little ASCAT slices are very unsatisfying. But we have RECON now, and they will probably be in there a lot as this has to landfall somewhere, and could quite possibly be a hurricane by then. I'm in the camp that thinks it will make hurricane, BTW. I don't think the dry air will make it into the circulation as much as it did with Lee, because this is further south from the ridiculously dry air and it has less shear forecast. It's the shear, or winds from low to fairly high levels, that force the dry air into the storm's circulation. If the shear stays low, that storm can still intensify surrounded fairly closely by pretty dry air.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#451 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:24 pm

Will probably stay up because I have work to do, but I'm afraid I know how Nate's fate will end up.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#452 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:27 pm

Wx_Warrior wrote:Will probably stay up because I have work to do, but I'm afraid I know how Nate's fate will end up.


Alright Warrior, why don't you just go ahead and crush all my hopes noa before they get too high again like they did with Lee...sigh...
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#453 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:31 pm

From KFDM (CBS, Beaumont TX) chief met Greg B:

Tropical Storm Nate formed this evening well to our south over the southwestern Gulf. Nate should move little over the next few days but could become a hurricane by the weekend. In the longer term, Nate should stay away from the Texas coast and eventually move westward into Mexico.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#454 Postby Radiogirltx » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:38 pm

LaBreeze wrote:Just curious - what areas are considered NE GOM, Central (North) GOM, and NW GOM? Is there a particular dividing line that most people use on here? I was just wondering - thanks in advance.


I'd like to know too. I posed the same question during the Irene thread, but never noticed a response.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#455 Postby Macrocane » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:41 pm

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If shear is going to weaken and remain low then the dry air won't be a big problem for Nate, it may slow strengthening a little but not weaken the cyclone, I believe it will make it to hurricane status as it will have enough time to strengthen once the baroclinic processes in the area end. D-max should help Nate in its organization process tonight.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#456 Postby clfenwi » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:46 pm

00Z GFS 24h

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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#457 Postby Ixolib » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:46 pm

That is surely a well defined line between dry and wet... Almost looks like the state of Texas is morphing itself into the GOM!!

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mimic-tpw/natl/anim/latest72hrs.gif
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#458 Postby maxintensity » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:52 pm

GFS looks like it is feeling the tug north at 33 hours. Could get interesting this run
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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#459 Postby clfenwi » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:59 pm

00Z GFS 48h

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Re: ATL: NATE - Models

#460 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:05 pm

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