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#2061 Postby clfenwi » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:57 pm

AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 36 20110911
024430 1755N 06320W 8433 01550 //// +177 //// 354007 008 005 000 05
024500 1754N 06321W 8429 01553 //// +179 //// 347007 008 003 000 01
024530 1753N 06322W 8429 01555 //// +180 //// 337008 009 006 000 01
024600 1752N 06323W 8429 01556 //// +181 //// 335010 011 005 000 01
024630 1750N 06325W 8430 01556 //// +180 //// 334011 012 005 000 01
024700 1749N 06326W 8428 01558 //// +180 //// 334012 012 005 000 01
024730 1748N 06327W 8432 01555 //// +180 //// 335012 012 004 000 01
024800 1747N 06329W 8429 01559 //// +180 //// 340012 012 007 000 01
024830 1746N 06330W 8428 01560 //// +181 //// 343012 014 012 001 01
024900 1744N 06331W 8433 01555 //// +180 //// 343012 013 005 000 01
024930 1743N 06332W 8429 01558 //// +183 //// 343013 014 003 000 01
025000 1742N 06334W 8431 01558 //// +181 //// 340012 013 007 001 01
025030 1741N 06335W 8430 01559 //// +186 //// 334015 016 005 000 01
025100 1740N 06336W 8430 01558 //// +186 //// 329015 016 008 000 01
025130 1738N 06337W 8428 01562 //// +187 //// 331014 014 010 000 01
025200 1737N 06339W 8429 01561 //// +185 //// 330014 014 009 000 01
025230 1736N 06340W 8430 01559 //// +183 //// 333015 015 005 000 01
025300 1735N 06341W 8430 01560 //// +180 //// 333014 014 005 000 05
025330 1734N 06342W 8429 01562 //// +180 //// 333015 015 004 000 05
025400 1732N 06343W 8425 01566 //// +179 //// 325015 016 /// /// 05
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#2062 Postby cujo0011 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:07 pm

Ok, I have been checking in with this site often lately and have been trying to make sense of it. But I'm stumped on something. After glancing at the models for Maria, is the XTRP really a model? And if so, why doesn't it ever seem to recurve? (or at least I haven't seen it predict a curve anyway). Sorry if this is a dumb question. Lol.
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#2063 Postby clfenwi » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:08 pm

URNT15 KNHC 110304
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 37 20110911
025430 1732N 06341W 8433 01560 //// +183 //// 319015 015 006 000 05
025500 1732N 06339W 8428 01564 //// +185 //// 320014 014 010 000 01
025530 1732N 06337W 8429 01562 //// +187 //// 317014 014 004 000 01
025600 1732N 06335W 8430 01560 //// +186 //// 312013 013 006 000 05
025630 1732N 06334W 8429 01561 //// +188 //// 304014 014 004 000 05
025700 1732N 06332W 8430 01560 //// +193 //// 306014 014 005 000 05
025730 1732N 06330W 8429 01561 //// +191 //// 298013 014 010 000 05
025800 1732N 06328W 8432 01559 //// +191 //// 291013 013 009 000 01
025830 1732N 06326W 8429 01561 //// +190 //// 280013 014 008 000 01
025900 1732N 06324W 8429 01561 //// +190 //// 280014 014 003 000 05
025930 1732N 06323W 8432 01558 //// +190 //// 275013 013 003 000 05
030000 1732N 06321W 8430 01560 //// +190 //// 270013 013 004 000 01
030030 1732N 06319W 8432 01559 //// +190 //// 271013 013 005 000 01
030100 1732N 06317W 8428 01562 //// +192 //// 255013 013 007 000 05
030130 1733N 06315W 8429 01560 //// +190 //// 251013 014 008 000 01
030200 1733N 06313W 8430 01559 //// +190 //// 247013 014 008 000 01
030230 1733N 06312W 8429 01560 //// +190 //// 247015 015 009 000 01
030300 1733N 06310W 8432 01560 //// +190 //// 247015 015 007 000 01
030330 1734N 06308W 8431 01559 //// +185 //// 242016 016 007 001 05
030400 1734N 06306W 8429 01561 //// +187 //// 243016 016 009 000 01
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#2064 Postby Adoquín » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:09 pm

moving at 10 mph!!. How much more is it expected to slow down? Slow moving storms are dangerous.
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#2065 Postby clfenwi » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:18 pm

URNT15 KNHC 110314
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 38 20110911
030430 1734N 06304W 8429 01560 //// +186 //// 239015 015 012 000 01
030500 1734N 06302W 8430 01559 //// +185 //// 236015 015 018 000 01
030530 1734N 06300W 8427 01562 //// +185 //// 236016 016 018 000 05
030600 1734N 06259W 8428 01561 //// +185 //// 238016 017 013 000 05
030630 1734N 06257W 8430 01556 //// +184 //// 233019 019 /// /// 05
030700 1735N 06256W 8429 01560 //// +185 //// 223018 019 019 000 05
030730 1737N 06256W 8432 01556 //// +189 //// 222016 017 021 000 05
030800 1739N 06256W 8428 01560 //// +190 //// 215015 015 024 000 01
030830 1741N 06257W 8428 01558 //// +185 //// 208015 017 023 001 01
030900 1742N 06257W 8429 01558 //// +194 //// 209015 016 018 000 05
030930 1744N 06257W 8429 01556 //// +195 //// 208016 017 018 000 01
031000 1746N 06257W 8430 01554 //// +187 //// 203019 019 018 000 01
031030 1748N 06257W 8433 01551 //// +187 //// 207017 018 018 000 05
031100 1750N 06257W 8429 01555 //// +185 //// 206018 018 017 000 01
031130 1751N 06257W 8428 01555 //// +184 //// 205017 018 016 000 05
031200 1753N 06257W 8430 01553 //// +184 //// 204017 018 016 000 05
031230 1755N 06257W 8428 01553 //// +178 //// 209016 017 012 000 05
031300 1757N 06257W 8430 01549 //// +180 //// 208015 016 024 002 05
031330 1759N 06257W 8429 01553 //// +177 //// 208016 016 008 000 05
031400 1800N 06257W 8429 01549 //// +180 //// 200015 016 008 000 01
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#2066 Postby floridasun78 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:23 pm

Adoquín wrote:moving at 10 mph!!. How much more is it expected to slow down? Slow moving storms are dangerous.

nhc still have question how fast she will move next few days
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#2067 Postby SouthernBreeze » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:23 pm

cujo0011 wrote:Ok, I have been checking in with this site often lately and have been trying to make sense of it. But I'm stumped on something. After glancing at the models for Maria, is the XTRP really a model? And if so, why doesn't it ever seem to recurve? (or at least I haven't seen it predict a curve anyway). Sorry if this is a dumb question. Lol.

ALL questions are good questions! The XTRP is just a straight line in the direction the storm is currently moving. It's not model, just a curret direction indicator
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#2068 Postby HurricaneBelle » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:24 pm

cujo0011 wrote:Ok, I have been checking in with this site often lately and have been trying to make sense of it. But I'm stumped on something. After glancing at the models for Maria, is the XTRP really a model? And if so, why doesn't it ever seem to recurve? (or at least I haven't seen it predict a curve anyway). Sorry if this is a dumb question. Lol.


XTRP is not a model, it's simply the current motion of the storm extrapolated.

This should be listed at the top of the models page or something, perhaps as an "XTRP/CLIPER are not really models" sticky, considering how often it gets asked.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#2069 Postby Macrocane » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:26 pm

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URNT15 KNHC 110324
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 39 20110911
031430 1802N 06257W 8429 01553 //// +176 //// 198013 014 002 000 01
031500 1804N 06257W 8428 01550 //// +174 //// 201012 013 005 000 01
031530 1806N 06257W 8431 01547 //// +170 //// 202008 010 008 000 01
031600 1807N 06257W 8429 01548 //// +171 //// 212008 010 014 000 05
031630 1809N 06257W 8428 01550 //// +174 //// 213009 010 019 000 01
031700 1811N 06257W 8417 01559 //// +164 //// 204010 011 024 006 05
031730 1813N 06257W 8439 01537 //// +175 //// 207011 012 010 000 01
031800 1814N 06257W 8429 01547 //// +179 //// 211011 011 001 000 05
031830 1816N 06257W 8429 01547 //// +180 //// 212009 011 003 000 05
031900 1818N 06257W 8429 01544 //// +185 //// 199007 008 011 000 05
031930 1820N 06257W 8426 01547 //// +186 //// 201006 007 009 000 01
032000 1821N 06257W 8429 01542 //// +189 //// 211005 005 002 000 05
032030 1823N 06257W 8429 01542 //// +186 //// 189006 006 004 000 05
032100 1825N 06257W 8432 01539 //// +186 //// 170004 005 006 000 05
032130 1826N 06258W 8429 01541 //// +185 //// 145001 002 006 000 01
032200 1828N 06259W 8431 01538 //// +186 //// 114004 004 004 000 01
032230 1829N 06259W 8436 01533 //// +187 //// 093003 004 004 000 05
032300 1831N 06258W 8425 01542 //// +185 //// 096002 003 008 000 05
032330 1832N 06257W 8429 01536 //// +187 //// 122002 003 007 000 01
032400 1833N 06256W 8432 01531 //// +190 //// 152004 005 008 000 05
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#2070 Postby Macrocane » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:38 pm

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URNT15 KNHC 110334
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 40 20110911
032430 1834N 06254W 8429 01533 //// +190 //// 161005 005 009 000 01
032500 1835N 06253W 8429 01533 //// +190 //// 164005 006 008 000 01
032530 1836N 06252W 8430 01531 //// +190 //// 162007 007 009 000 01
032600 1837N 06250W 8431 01530 //// +189 //// 158007 009 011 000 05
032630 1839N 06249W 8432 01527 //// +184 //// 155010 011 009 000 05
032700 1840N 06248W 8430 01531 //// +180 //// 163012 013 007 000 05
032730 1841N 06247W 8429 01533 //// +180 //// 168015 016 006 000 01
032800 1842N 06245W 8431 01533 //// +180 //// 167018 019 008 000 05
032830 1843N 06244W 8428 01537 //// +180 //// 168020 020 009 000 01
032900 1845N 06243W 8430 01535 //// +176 //// 169019 019 010 000 01
032930 1846N 06241W 8430 01535 //// +176 //// 166019 020 012 001 05
033000 1847N 06240W 8428 01536 //// +175 //// 168022 023 017 001 01
033030 1848N 06239W 8432 01533 //// +164 //// 166022 023 024 005 01
033100 1850N 06238W 8425 01539 //// +156 //// 166025 027 027 009 05
033130 1851N 06236W 8423 01542 //// +151 //// 153028 033 044 046 05
033200 1852N 06235W 8443 01525 //// +148 //// 129027 030 047 037 01
033230 1852N 06235W 8443 01525 //// +131 //// 129034 037 053 050 05
033300 1854N 06233W 8403 01571 //// +142 //// 142037 041 054 034 05
033330 1855N 06231W 8454 01518 //// +143 //// 148041 043 051 020 01
033400 1857N 06230W 8435 01536 //// +144 //// 139039 042 047 020 01
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Models

#2071 Postby FireRat » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:42 pm

Models seem to indicate a path similar to 1996 Hortense, only not impacting PR and being much weaker.
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#2072 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:04 pm

URNT15 KNHC 110345
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 41 20110911
033430 1858N 06229W 8435 01532 //// +142 //// 115040 042 045 015 01
033500 1859N 06228W 8426 01541 //// +143 //// 110037 039 045 014 01
033530 1900N 06227W 8424 01545 //// +144 //// 107030 031 043 012 01
033600 1901N 06226W 8432 01538 //// +146 //// 109030 031 043 013 01
033630 1902N 06224W 8434 01536 //// +148 //// 108028 029 045 014 01
033700 1903N 06223W 8414 01556 //// +149 //// 108027 029 046 017 01
033730 1904N 06222W 8431 01539 //// +141 //// 110033 035 045 016 01
033800 1905N 06221W 8429 01544 //// +133 //// 113037 038 041 016 01
033830 1906N 06220W 8428 01549 //// +138 //// 117041 042 043 009 01
033900 1907N 06219W 8426 01550 //// +145 //// 121041 042 043 010 01
033930 1908N 06218W 8417 01561 //// +142 //// 119036 038 046 017 01
034000 1910N 06216W 8437 01537 //// +149 //// 129036 038 044 008 01
034030 1911N 06215W 8431 01547 //// +159 //// 129034 036 042 007 01
034100 1912N 06214W 8432 01546 //// +156 //// 133036 037 043 008 01
034130 1913N 06213W 8425 01555 //// +153 //// 132038 039 044 008 01
034200 1914N 06212W 8437 01543 //// +150 //// 135040 041 047 010 01
034230 1915N 06210W 8429 01555 //// +161 //// 136044 044 044 003 01
034300 1916N 06209W 8430 01555 //// +161 //// 134045 046 044 003 01
034330 1918N 06208W 8423 01563 //// +148 //// 121042 044 045 007 01
034400 1919N 06207W 8421 01559 //// +141 //// 123042 046 044 009 05
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#2073 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:04 pm

URNT15 KNHC 110354
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 42 20110911
034430 1920N 06206W 8426 01559 //// +143 //// 126047 049 044 008 01
034500 1921N 06204W 8436 01549 //// +147 //// 126047 051 049 005 01
034530 1922N 06203W 8405 01578 //// +159 //// 130041 043 049 001 05
034600 1923N 06202W 8435 01552 //// +152 //// 116040 042 043 004 05
034630 1924N 06201W 8430 01559 //// +162 //// 121041 043 047 005 01
034700 1925N 06200W 8423 01566 //// +143 //// 110045 046 046 007 01
034730 1926N 06159W 8440 01548 //// +142 //// 111044 047 046 013 01
034800 1927N 06158W 8428 01564 //// +134 //// 100045 047 046 013 05
034830 1928N 06157W 8422 01569 //// +137 //// 100049 050 046 011 01
034900 1929N 06156W 8433 01556 //// +138 //// 107050 051 048 012 01
034930 1930N 06155W 8430 01561 //// +137 //// 109047 047 047 013 01
035000 1931N 06153W 8430 01566 //// +146 //// 109044 046 047 013 01
035030 1932N 06152W 8425 01569 //// +146 //// 107047 049 047 012 01
035100 1933N 06151W 8430 01564 //// +148 //// 109052 053 046 012 01
035130 1934N 06150W 8426 01570 //// +136 //// 113053 054 045 012 01
035200 1935N 06149W 8433 01561 //// +140 //// 110055 056 048 009 01
035230 1936N 06148W 8429 01567 //// +143 //// 112057 058 045 009 01
035300 1937N 06147W 8427 01569 //// +148 //// 111058 058 047 009 01
035330 1938N 06146W 8428 01569 //// +156 //// 112057 058 045 008 01
035400 1939N 06145W 8429 01567 //// +168 //// 112057 057 046 008 01
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#2074 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:06 pm

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#2075 Postby Macrocane » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:07 pm

Thanks for the missing HDOBs and the graphics artist.

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URNT15 KNHC 110404
AF307 0514A MARIA HDOB 43 20110911
035430 1940N 06144W 8429 01567 //// +166 //// 112058 058 046 008 01
035500 1941N 06143W 8428 01567 //// +162 //// 112057 058 046 008 01
035530 1942N 06142W 8434 01561 //// +166 //// 112057 058 048 009 01
035600 1943N 06141W 8428 01569 //// +163 //// 111056 057 048 009 01
035630 1944N 06140W 8429 01566 //// +164 //// 111057 058 049 009 01
035700 1945N 06139W 8429 01566 //// +168 //// 113058 058 048 010 01
035730 1946N 06137W 8432 01564 //// +161 //// 111057 058 050 009 01
035800 1947N 06136W 8428 01571 //// +156 //// 108055 056 049 010 01
035830 1948N 06135W 8430 01571 //// +152 //// 107054 055 046 011 01
035900 1949N 06134W 8427 01576 //// +156 //// 106056 056 048 010 01
035930 1950N 06133W 8430 01574 //// +160 //// 107056 056 045 010 05
040000 1952N 06134W 8427 01576 //// +153 //// 106054 055 /// /// 05
040030 1952N 06136W 8437 01565 //// +158 //// 105053 053 048 010 05
040100 1953N 06138W 8428 01575 //// +150 //// 105053 053 047 010 01
040130 1954N 06140W 8430 01570 //// +153 //// 108055 055 047 009 01
040200 1955N 06142W 8429 01576 //// +156 //// 105054 055 045 005 01
040230 1955N 06144W 8432 01571 //// +154 //// 105052 052 041 003 01
040300 1956N 06146W 8429 01576 //// +154 //// 105052 052 040 003 01
040330 1957N 06148W 8433 01574 //// +161 //// 104050 051 041 001 05
040400 1958N 06150W 8429 01576 //// +167 //// 102048 048 042 000 05
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2076 Postby Macrocane » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:10 pm

RECON is finding Flight level winds in the 55-60 kt range and SFMR up to 50 kt.
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#2077 Postby Adoquín » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:13 pm

Makes sense considering how it is blowing up.
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#2078 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:17 pm

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URNT11 KNHC 110406
97779 03580 10198 61608 15300 11056 15//9 /2500
RMK AF307 0514A MARIA OB 19
SWS = 49 KTS
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decoded

Product: Air Force Tropical RECCO Message (URNT11 KNHC)
Transmitted: 11th day of the month at 04:06Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 307)
Storm Number: 14
Storm Name: Maria (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 5
Observation Number: 19

Mandatory Data...

Observation Time: Sunday, 3:58Z
Radar Capability: Yes
Aircraft Altitude: Below 10,000 meters
Coordinates: 19.8N 61.6W
Location: 307 miles (494 km) to the ENE (72°) from San Juan, Puerto Rico (USA).
Turbulence: None
Conditions Along Flight Route: In the clear
Pressure Altitude: 1,530 meters
Flight Level Wind: From 110° at 56 knots (From the ESE at ~ 64.4 mph)
- The above is a spot wind.
- Winds were obtained using doppler radar or inertial systems.
Flight Level Temperature: 15°C
Flight Level Dew Point: Not available, probably because the dew point hygrometer was not working.
Weather (within 30 nautical miles): Thunderstorm(s)
850 mb Surface Altitude: 1,500 geopotential meters

Remarks Section...

Surface Wind Speed (likely by SFMR): 49 knots (~ 56.4mph)
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#2079 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:17 pm

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UZNT13 KNHC 110338
XXAA 61038 99185 70630 04383 99007 27022 03008 00062 26420 03008
92748 22412 18001 85485 19002 12003 88999 77999
31313 09608 80322
61616 AF307 0514A MARIA OB 18
62626 SPL 1846N06298W 0324 MBL WND 04006 AEV 20802 DLM WND 07002
006843 WL150 03008 084 REL 1846N06298W 032200 SPG 1845N06297W 032
355 =
XXBB 61038 99185 70630 04383 00007 27022 11850 19002 22843 18400
21212 00007 03008 11985 02509 22951 11001 33878 14501 44843 12004
31313 09608 80322
61616 AF307 0514A MARIA OB 18
62626 SPL 1846N06298W 0324 MBL WND 04006 AEV 20802 DLM WND 07002
006843 WL150 03008 084 REL 1846N06298W 032200 SPG 1845N06297W 032
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#2080 Postby artist » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:18 pm

URNT12 KNHC 110404
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL142011
A. 11/03:21:40Z
B. 18 deg 26 min N
062 deg 58 min W
C. 850 mb 1469 m
D. 24 kt
E. 174 deg 15 nm
F. 202 deg 19 kt
G. 178 deg 40 nm
H. 1007 mb
I. 19 C / 1523 m
J. 19 C / 1526 m
K. 19 C / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134 / 08
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF307 0514A MARIA OB 17
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 58 KT NE QUAD 03:52:40Z
FREQ LTG NE QUAD.
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decoded

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 11th day of the month at 04:04Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 307)
Storm Number & Year: 14L in 2011
Storm Name: Maria (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 5
Observation Number: 17
A. Time of Center Fix: 11th day of the month at 3:21:40Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 18°26'N 62°58'W (18.4333N 62.9667W) (View map)
B. Center Fix Location: 16 miles (25 km) to the NNE (25°) from The Valley, Anguilla.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,469m (4,820ft) at 850mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 24kts (~ 27.6mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 15 nautical miles (17 statute miles) to the S (174°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 202° at 19kts (From the SSW at ~ 21.9mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 40 nautical miles (46 statute miles) to the S (178°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1007mb (29.74 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 19°C (66°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,523m (4,997ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 19°C (66°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,526m (5,007ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 19°C (66°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Wind and Pressure
N. Fix Levels (sfc and flt lvl centers are within 5nm of each other): Surface and 850mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Wind Outbound: 58kts (~ 66.7mph) in the northeast quadrant at 3:52:40Z
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 58kts (~ 66.7mph) in the northeast quadrant at 3:52:40Z
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
FREQ LTG NE QUAD.
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