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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#401 Postby ozonepete » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:56 pm

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TBCaneFreak wrote:
ozonepete wrote:Interesting - the WMO has a different track. I just happened to stumble across this while I was looking at the Allmetsat site. I check them once in a while because they have really cool satellite images. I just noticed they have a tropical info tab and I followed it until I got this. The WMO says they get it from RSMC (Regional Specialized Meteorological Centre) which in turn says the RSMC for the Atlantic info is the NHC out of Miami. But this track sure isn't what the NHC has. Anyway, just thought it was interesting.



That doesnt appear to be a track...Its Miami ans Havana shown on the map


Good catch!
That makes sense.


LOL! My bad. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks TBCane!
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#402 Postby ObsessedMiami » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:07 pm

Must get new batteries for the SFL hurricane shield generator!
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#403 Postby TBCaneFreak » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:10 pm

ObsessedMiami wrote:Must get new batteries for the SFL hurricane shield generator!



We will just run Jumper Cables down from TB area...our shield generator seems to have been running fine for oh...say, 90 years
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#404 Postby TBCaneFreak » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:11 pm

TBCaneFreak wrote:
ObsessedMiami wrote:Must get new batteries for the SFL hurricane shield generator!



We will just run Jumper Cables down from TB area...our shield generator seems to have been running fine for oh...say, 90 years

OH BUT ONE DAY....just when you really need it to work, thats when it'll fail us...
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#405 Postby ROCK » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:13 pm

SFLcane wrote:
ROCK wrote:those are some cold tops firing right now...and I think the center has moved towards that convection also which mean its more north than best track. Center relos always a good bet in developing systems....I smell a FL surprise in a few days if it beats the front...


Even though recon data a few hrs ago showed the center was still southeast of the convective ball i think its quite possible whatever llc is there reforms closer to the convection (possibly) allowing for a more northern track.



RECON is going to find the center relocated or moved more north. Its right under that cold ball of convection. No doubt in my mind. Also this should be Rina now....to organized not to be, IMO


You still have 80F water also right under it.....game is on for FL....
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Models

#406 Postby ROCK » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:15 pm

I wouldnt trust the GFDL or the HWRF as far as I could throw them..and I work out..... :D

I lean on the EURO and the CMC and like to blend the two tracks. My own TVCN.... :lol:
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#407 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:20 pm

The TCHP is still very warm in the Western Caribbean and it will be a fuel for the system.

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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#408 Postby SFLcane » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:22 pm

Luis sorry for asking but when exactly does recon get out again ?
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#409 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:24 pm

SFLcane wrote:Luis sorry for asking but when exactly does recon get out again ?


No problem Adrian. The next mission will depart on Monday morning at 10:45 AM EDT.

FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 24/1800Z
B. AFXXX 0218A CYCLONE
C. 24/1445Z
D. 16.6N 82.4W
E. 24/1730Z TO 24/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#410 Postby SFLcane » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:26 pm

cycloneye wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Luis sorry for asking but when exactly does recon get out again ?


No problem Adrian. The next mission will depart on Monday morning at 10:45 AM EDT.

FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 24/1800Z
B. AFXXX 0218A CYCLONE
C. 24/1445Z
D. 16.6N 82.4W
E. 24/1730Z TO 24/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT




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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Models

#411 Postby TBCaneFreak » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:31 pm

ROCK wrote:I wouldnt trust the GFDL or the HWRF as far as I could throw them..and I work out..... :D

I lean on the EURO and the CMC and like to blend the two tracks. My own TVCN.... :lol:

And what does what tell you right now Rock?...Where are you leaning towards as of a track/intensity?
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#412 Postby ozonepete » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:38 pm

Also still think the CIMSS shear analysis is overdone. This does not look like it's under 20-30 knots of shear.

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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Models

#413 Postby jinftl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:41 pm

Latest model runs for track and intensity:

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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#414 Postby tgenius » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:47 pm

So I heard on the news the other day we may have a storm our way in Miami.. it's got that wilma ish vibe to it from where its at now.. but what would the real chance be of it coming this way?
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#415 Postby jinftl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:52 pm

Until we are in the forecast cone, it is really just speculation (even then, until a watch or warning is issued, it is speculation...remember irene). Something to watch given the time of year and the propensity of systems in this region to eventually get pulled to the north and northeast, but not anything to start preparing for at this time.

The td didn't form until late this afternoon, so any news headlines from the other day are to be taken with a grain of salt as the first model runs with the actual center didn't get run until tonight.

tgenius wrote:So I heard on the news the other day we may have a storm our way in Miami.. it's got that wilma ish vibe to it from where its at now.. but what would the real chance be of it coming this way?
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#416 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:57 pm

Convection is still bursting strongly. I also noticed the beginnings of another burst farther south and possibly closer to the estimated LLC:

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Cirrus outflow is improving to the North.
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#417 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:00 pm

If the center is anywhere in that deep convection than this storm is getting better organized fast. Also, it seems to be making good progress primarily just west of due north.
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#418 Postby ObsessedMiami » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:20 pm

tgenius wrote:So I heard on the news the other day we may have a storm our way in Miami.. it's got that wilma ish vibe to it from where its at now.. but what would the real chance be of it coming this way?

Something to watch, for sure
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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#419 Postby fci » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:23 pm

jinftl wrote:Until we are in the forecast cone, it is really just speculation (even then, until a watch or warning is issued, it is speculation...remember irene). Something to watch given the time of year and the propensity of systems in this region to eventually get pulled to the north and northeast, but not anything to start preparing for at this time.

The td didn't form until late this afternoon, so any news headlines from the other day are to be taken with a grain of salt as the first model runs with the actual center didn't get run until tonight.

tgenius wrote:So I heard on the news the other day we may have a storm our way in Miami.. it's got that wilma ish vibe to it from where its at now.. but what would the real chance be of it coming this way?


Wxman has been pretty consistent in his posts that he thinks this will not be a major issue for SFL.

Saturday afternoon:
The threat to Florida continues to diminish. The slower it moves over the next 5 days, the more time for the strong front to reach the SE Gulf ahead of the disturbance. Models have all backed off on development, keeping the system near the northern Yucatan as the front arrives. Increasing wind shear ahead of the front should drive the moisture/remnants off to the northeast, possibly even south of the FL Peninsula next Friday. Too soon to rule out any enhance precip along the front in southern FL, though.


Sunday afternoon:
I suspect it will move faster than the NHC is forecasting on Thu/Fri and be located between western Cuba and the NE Yucatan on Friday afternoon. Movement by then would be to the NE as the front approaches. I'm not sure if the circulation will remain intact as it passes through the FL Straits next Saturday, as it'll probably be merging with the cold front.


To me, the track looks oh too familiar to the "W" storm.
Not the intensity by any stretch of the imagination; but the track..

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Re: ATL: EIGHTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#420 Postby FireRat » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:34 pm

I really hope this thing misses us here in S. Florida. Many of my neighbors are still without roofs and cleaning up after last week's EF-2 tornado. This thing coming our way would be the last thing they'd want to hear :(

On the other hand, a weaker system bringing rains to parts of Florida that missed out on this month's deluge would be a plus...so it's a double edged sword if you will. Wxman57 is sure sticking to his guns though, let's see how this pans out.
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