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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
Aquawind wrote:Portastorm wrote:Aquawind wrote:(tornado watch quote deleted)
Finaly!!!! They Have failed and are wayy to late with this!!! Warnings all over down here!!! I called them and emailed them! Also spoke with Tom in Tampa NWS.
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Gotcha.. We have had constant tornado warnings for 4 hours and finally they issue a watch..fact is all.
We (the mods) appreciate it and you went about things the right way in going to the source(s). Be safe over there and thank you!
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Models
If the NE motion continues, the NHC forecast from yesterday will end up being over 800 miles off for 72 hrs. and about 1200 miles off for 120 hrs. Not too good for their averages.
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Recon Discussion
Ha, I thought they were done. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
Aquawind wrote:Portastorm wrote:Aquawind wrote:(tornado watch quote deleted)
Finaly!!!! They Have failed and are wayy to late with this!!! Warnings all over down here!!! I called them and emailed them! Also spoke with Tom in Tampa NWS.
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Gotcha.. We have had constant tornado warnings for 4 hours and finally they issue a watch..fact is all.
the spc adheres to a threat potential for watch issuance. yesterday's meso discussion re tornadic activity mentioned that there was a threat but it did not meet the threshold for a watch. today it did. maybe they were a bit slow in issuing and that could be partially a result of debby not behaving as expected. meanwhile, out my window the Debby drenching continues as the very worst the Debby has to offer (at least near term) is quickly heading for our coast.
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is entirely too much anger about the situation. It is not, has never been, and never will be SPC's policy to try to get a tornado watch out ahead of every single tornado. Tornado watches are very large products that cover many people, most of whom will not be impacted one iota by a tornado, even in large outbreaks - they have to be reserved for certain situations, or else risk losing their impact. Tornado watches are only used to cover situations in which conditions are good for an organized incident with multiple occurrences of tornadoes. When a tornado threat is expected to be too isolated or over too small an area, they leave it to the local NWS offices to create awareness. This isolation is precisely why there was no watch last night - SPC even released a mesoscale discussion to that effect (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md1254.html). This was largely borne out in the preliminary storm reports for yesterday - 5 reported tornadoes, all in or around Naples. Now that the threat area is better defined and covers a larger area, it's appropriate for a watch.Aquawind wrote:Finaly!!!! They Have failed and are wayy to late with this!!! Warnings all over down here!!! I called them and emailed them! Also spoke with Tom in Tampa NWS.
edit - whoops, psyclone smoked me to the exact same answer. I gotta learn to type faster!
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KWT wrote:Its getting hard to ignore the eastward idea into Florida now. Personally not what i was expecting given the model suite was more pitched towards the western solution but thats what happens with the weather sometimes!
Not surprised at all after a few decades of observing gulf weather patterns. Preparing for Florida landfall.
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URNT15 KNHC 241652
AF302 0204A DEBBY3 HDOB 42 20120624
163000 2855N 08523W 8121 01793 //// +163 //// 136038 038 030 002 01
163030 2856N 08521W 8119 01795 //// +159 //// 139037 038 031 004 01
163100 2857N 08520W 8121 01795 //// +157 //// 141037 038 031 004 01
163130 2859N 08519W 8114 01804 //// +144 //// 141036 039 034 010 01
163200 2900N 08518W 8118 01798 //// +137 //// 140039 042 037 012 01
163230 2901N 08516W 8118 01801 //// +134 //// 137039 042 037 014 01
163300 2902N 08515W 8121 01800 //// +134 //// 133036 037 034 009 01
163330 2903N 08514W 8121 01803 //// +141 //// 135037 038 033 006 01
163400 2905N 08512W 8117 01809 //// +145 //// 135033 036 033 004 01
163430 2906N 08511W 8122 01803 //// +144 //// 129034 035 031 004 01
163500 2907N 08510W 8121 01808 //// +144 //// 130033 035 030 004 01
163530 2908N 08509W 8115 01813 //// +152 //// 134037 039 031 005 01
163600 2909N 08507W 8121 01810 //// +153 //// 136034 035 030 003 01
163630 2910N 08506W 8118 01814 //// +160 //// 138035 035 032 002 01
163700 2911N 08505W 8115 01818 //// +164 //// 139034 035 032 002 01
163730 2913N 08503W 8117 01817 //// +162 //// 141035 036 032 003 01
163800 2914N 08502W 8122 01814 //// +157 //// 135034 035 033 003 01
163830 2915N 08501W 8119 01819 //// +154 //// 134034 035 032 003 01
163900 2916N 08500W 8116 01824 //// +156 //// 132034 035 032 002 01
163930 2917N 08458W 8116 01824 //// +159 //// 133033 034 032 002 01
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URNT15 KNHC 241652
AF302 0204A DEBBY3 HDOB 42 20120624
163000 2855N 08523W 8121 01793 //// +163 //// 136038 038 030 002 01
163030 2856N 08521W 8119 01795 //// +159 //// 139037 038 031 004 01
163100 2857N 08520W 8121 01795 //// +157 //// 141037 038 031 004 01
163130 2859N 08519W 8114 01804 //// +144 //// 141036 039 034 010 01
163200 2900N 08518W 8118 01798 //// +137 //// 140039 042 037 012 01
163230 2901N 08516W 8118 01801 //// +134 //// 137039 042 037 014 01
163300 2902N 08515W 8121 01800 //// +134 //// 133036 037 034 009 01
163330 2903N 08514W 8121 01803 //// +141 //// 135037 038 033 006 01
163400 2905N 08512W 8117 01809 //// +145 //// 135033 036 033 004 01
163430 2906N 08511W 8122 01803 //// +144 //// 129034 035 031 004 01
163500 2907N 08510W 8121 01808 //// +144 //// 130033 035 030 004 01
163530 2908N 08509W 8115 01813 //// +152 //// 134037 039 031 005 01
163600 2909N 08507W 8121 01810 //// +153 //// 136034 035 030 003 01
163630 2910N 08506W 8118 01814 //// +160 //// 138035 035 032 002 01
163700 2911N 08505W 8115 01818 //// +164 //// 139034 035 032 002 01
163730 2913N 08503W 8117 01817 //// +162 //// 141035 036 032 003 01
163800 2914N 08502W 8122 01814 //// +157 //// 135034 035 033 003 01
163830 2915N 08501W 8119 01819 //// +154 //// 134034 035 032 003 01
163900 2916N 08500W 8116 01824 //// +156 //// 132034 035 032 002 01
163930 2917N 08458W 8116 01824 //// +159 //// 133033 034 032 002 01
$$
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Models
12z HWRF +24

12z HWRF +36


12z HWRF +36

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brunota2003 wrote:That pass is from 0225 UTC: Look at the purple numbers on the bottom side of the image.
Well Debby should definitely help out the "Lake-O" dilema and get it back to a more normal level!
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
thetruesms wrote:Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is entirely too much anger about the situation. It is not, has never been, and never will be SPC's policy to try to get a tornado watch out ahead of every single tornado. Tornado watches are very large products that cover many people, most of whom will not be impacted one iota by a tornado, even in large outbreaks - they have to be reserved for certain situations, or else risk losing their impact. Tornado watches are only used to cover situations in which conditions are good for an organized incident with multiple occurrences of tornadoes. When a tornado threat is expected to be too isolated or over too small an area, they leave it to the local NWS offices to create awareness. This isolation is precisely why there was no watch last night - SPC even released a mesoscale discussion to that effect (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md1254.html). This was largely borne out in the preliminary storm reports for yesterday - 5 reported tornadoes, all in or around Naples. Now that the threat area is better defined and covers a larger area, it's appropriate for a watch.Aquawind wrote:Finaly!!!! They Have failed and are wayy to late with this!!! Warnings all over down here!!! I called them and emailed them! Also spoke with Tom in Tampa NWS.
edit - whoops, psyclone smoked me to the exact same answer. I gotta learn to type faster!
South Florida watches this morning..all over..for the last 4 hours.. http://kamala.cod.edu/svr/ . I think that should qualify. I am done with this..it's been handled.
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Recon Discussion
tolakram wrote:Ha, I thought they were done. Sorry for the confusion.
No problem-with Debby nothing is ever done for long and confusion reigns..........

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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
thetruesms wrote:Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is entirely too much anger about the situation. It is not, has never been, and never will be SPC's policy to try to get a tornado watch out ahead of every single tornado. Tornado watches are very large products that cover many people, most of whom will not be impacted one iota by a tornado, even in large outbreaks - they have to be reserved for certain situations, or else risk losing their impact. Tornado watches are only used to cover situations in which conditions are good for an organized incident with multiple occurrences of tornadoes. When a tornado threat is expected to be too isolated or over too small an area, they leave it to the local NWS offices to create awareness. This isolation is precisely why there was no watch last night - SPC even released a mesoscale discussion to that effect (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md1254.html). This was largely borne out in the preliminary storm reports for yesterday - 5 reported tornadoes, all in or around Naples. Now that the threat area is better defined and covers a larger area, it's appropriate for a watch.Aquawind wrote:Finaly!!!! They Have failed and are wayy to late with this!!! Warnings all over down here!!! I called them and emailed them! Also spoke with Tom in Tampa NWS.
edit - whoops, psyclone smoked me to the exact same answer. I gotta learn to type faster!
ha ha. your answer was far better! I love the blue tags contributing when the sledding gets rough:)
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starting to take on a subtropical appearance on satellite
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Re: ATL: DEBBY - Tropical Storm - Discussion
Due to potential flooding, the following locations will be open as of 2 p.m. today (Sunday) for sandbags:
County park at the corner of Grover Cleveland Blvd. and Grandmarch Ave. in Homosassa,
Hwy 44 East of Crystal River across from Dan's Clam Stand,
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Crystal River fire department at 123 NW US Highway 19.
More info click link: http://www.citrusdaily.com/citrus-count ... 03143.html
County park at the corner of Grover Cleveland Blvd. and Grandmarch Ave. in Homosassa,
Hwy 44 East of Crystal River across from Dan's Clam Stand,
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Crystal River fire department at 123 NW US Highway 19.
More info click link: http://www.citrusdaily.com/citrus-count ... 03143.html
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