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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1161 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:50 pm

Shuriken wrote:An anticyclone aloft is certainly conducive, but, IMO, it's not the critical factor. I have watched a LOT of early-season whirls find themselves in ideal conditions near the Caribbean, but still refuse to develop. In contrast, I have seen storms in mediocre low/mid-level environments power up due to being able to effectively "clear the pipe" all the way to 70,000ft -- Hurricane Gustav is the arch-typrical example here: a storm which went from TS to 150 in less that 48hrs despite strong southwesterly shear in the mid-layers, catching everyone with their pants down.

Earnesto is clearly having trouble in this regard -- a good sized system with a well-developed LLC , but no really cold cloud-tops. If it doesn't develop a bright red meatball on the Rainbow IR tonight, my hunch is it'll be weaker tomorrow that it is today.

Gustav really was an amazing storm, although it's generally more of an anomaly in that sense. The point I was making was that high pressure aloft is actually a favorable condition for strengthening, as opposed to low pressure. Storms under anticyclones can end up in very low shear environments, and with other conditions conducive, can completely take off. You are right though that they are not the only factor. SAL, proximity to land, storm velocity relative to its environment and water temps all can affect storm intensity. There is no one all-important factor in getting a really big one, but most if not all of these factors need to be conducive.
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#1162 Postby Rgv20 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:52 pm

History would suggest that Ernesto's long range track might be the Western/NW GOM....Interesting days ahead.

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1163 Postby Shuriken » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:54 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:Gustav really was an amazing storm, although it's generally more of an anomaly in that sense. The point I was making was that high pressure aloft is actually a favorable condition for strengthening, as opposed to low pressure. Storms under anticyclones can end up in very low shear environments, and with other conditions conducive, can completely take off. You are right though that they are not the only factor. SAL, proximity to land, storm velocity relative to its environment and water temps all can affect storm intensity. There is no one all-important factor in getting a really big one, but most if not all of these factors need to be conducive.
I've seen hurricanes in dry air, in hostile shear, half-over land, and over cool water.

I've never seen a major hurricane which did not exhaust at 200mb. (I'd go so far as to state that when that condition is met, a CDO will form very quickly; and system will shrug off moderate amounts of shear, dry air, etc.)
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1164 Postby Nimbus » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:58 pm

My guess is that the relatively fast forward speed is inhibiting development. Its rolling along at 20 mph and the winds are blowing west at 50 MPH in the northern quadrant. A cat 5 storm that has already established a core circulation of 150 MPH would be effected a lot less by forward speed. I call these "tumble weeds" because thats what they look like rolling and disorganized.

Western Caribbean is often where they start to slow down and can really spin up into monsters.
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#1165 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:06 pm

Based on the last data, perhaps 50 kt for current intensity? What are the chances that we get Hurricane Ernesto tomorrow?
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1166 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:08 pm

Some loops IR and Visible.

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Recon

#1167 Postby Riptide » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:10 pm

JamesCaneTracker wrote:So that's 12 tonight right?

Tommorow afternoon, but it looks like it starts before that? I can tell these reports are not meant for the public.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1168 Postby christchurchguy » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:14 pm

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center looks quite large. mabe around 13.2
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#1169 Postby Shuriken » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:15 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Based on the last data, perhaps 50 kt for current intensity? What are the chances that we get Hurricane Ernesto tomorrow?
IMO, poor -- I'm seeing a linear SW/NE convective band setting up southwest of the center while the center itself has tepid convection. These are classic signs of a system which is going to degenerate into an open wave as it enters the eastern Caribbean.

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1170 Postby TheBurn » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:15 pm

20:45z VIS / IR (Day / Night)

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#1171 Postby SunnyThoughts » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:21 pm

I always get confused with zulu time too. It is 23:21 zulu time right now, or so says google anyway lol
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Recon

#1172 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:22 pm

Riptide wrote:
JamesCaneTracker wrote:So that's 12 tonight right?

Tommorow afternoon, but it looks like it starts before that? I can tell these reports are not meant for the public.


Next mission departs at 12 Midnight EDT.

FLIGHT TWO -TEAL 72-
A. 03/0600, 1200Z
B. AFXXX 0205A CYCLONE
C. 03/0400Z
D. 13.0N 57.5W
E. 03/0530Z TO 03/1200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1173 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:25 pm

It has a fairly decent structure.

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#1174 Postby ROCK » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:26 pm

GFS is following the last EURO run....keeps it weak thus more west....did it initialize well? 18Z data is no that great...wait for the 00Z with the RECON data ingested...
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#1175 Postby gigabite » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:26 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT ... -loop.html

It looks like the out flow from the Mississippi are warm.
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#1176 Postby meteortheologist » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:29 pm

Shuriken wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:Based on the last data, perhaps 50 kt for current intensity? What are the chances that we get Hurricane Ernesto tomorrow?
IMO, poor -- I'm seeing a linear SW/NE convective band setting up southwest of the center while the center itself has tepid convection. These are classic signs of a system which is going to degenerate into an open wave as it enters the eastern Caribbean.

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are you saying not at all or just not tomorrow
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1177 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:37 pm

Is interesting to see what is going on in Barbados so here is the radar.

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#1178 Postby ConvergenceZone » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:44 pm

Shuriken wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:Based on the last data, perhaps 50 kt for current intensity? What are the chances that we get Hurricane Ernesto tomorrow?
IMO, poor -- I'm seeing a linear SW/NE convective band setting up southwest of the center while the center itself has tepid convection. These are classic signs of a system which is going to degenerate into an open wave as it enters the eastern Caribbean.

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It could be. Even Met Jeff Masters gives the storm a chance of opening up to a wave tomorrow........IF it does go that route, I think the chances are still good that it will form once again in the Western Gulf, although it would also mean a much greater chance of it moving into Mexico..... Tonight will be the telling factor, if we wake up tomorrow to a storm that looks worse then now, then I would say it's on it's way to being a wave.... I actually thought it would open up to a wave today, but the conditions were a bit beter than I thought which is all that it needed.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Advisories

#1179 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:45 pm

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TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 5A
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052012
800 PM AST THU AUG 02 2012

...ERNESTO BEGINNING TO AFFECT BARBADOS...


SUMMARY OF 800 PM AST...0000 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...13.3N 57.4W
ABOUT 205 MI...330 KM E OF BARBADOS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 22 MPH...35 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

NONE.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* BARBADOS...ST. VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES...AND DOMINICA
* ST. LUCIA
* MARTINIQUE AND GUADELOUPE

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA...IN THIS CASE WITHIN
THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE LESSER ANTILLES SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
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AT 800 PM AST...0000 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO WAS
LOCATED BY SATELLITES AND THE BARBADOS RADAR NEAR LATITUDE 13.3
NORTH...LONGITUDE 57.4 WEST. ERNESTO IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR
22 MPH...35 KM/H. THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR
THE NEXT 48 HOURS. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF ERNESTO
SHOULD PASS NEAR BARBADOS LATE TONIGHT...AND BE NEAR THE NORTHERN
WINDWARD ISLANDS BY EARLY FRIDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 50 MPH...85 KM/H...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. SOME SLIGHT STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS.

TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 115 MILES...185 KM
FROM THE CENTER...MAINLY TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1005 MB...29.68 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING
AREA BY LATE TONIGHT OR EARLY FRIDAY.

RAINFALL...TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 3 INCHES WITH
ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 5 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE
WINDWARD ISLANDS THROUGH FRIDAY.

SURF...LARGE WAVES GENERATED BY ERNESTO WILL BE AFFECTING THE
TROPICAL STORM WARNING AREA OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO. PLEASE
CONSULT PRODUCTS FROM YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...1100 PM AST.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#1180 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:46 pm

SUMMARY OF 800 PM AST...0000 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...13.3N 57.4W
ABOUT 205 MI...330 KM E OF BARBADOS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 22 MPH...35 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES
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