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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1321 Postby pricetag56 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:54 am

Jevo wrote:0z ECMWF (Euro) +216 CONUS

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Really?? That is very interesting a major into LA???
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#1322 Postby pricetag56 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:56 am

So what will the nhc do now about the future track i wonder???
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#1323 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:56 am

meriland23 wrote:strange that the euro is going more west while everyone else is more east... this is regardless of pace

Have to feel for the NHC...
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#1324 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:57 am

0z ECMWF (Euro) +240 CONUS

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That's all folks....... Not sure if I agree with it, but it is certainly sticking to it's guns
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#1325 Postby pricetag56 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:57 am

And why is the euro so much farther west?
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#1326 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:57 am

pricetag56 wrote:So what will the nhc do now about the future track i wonder???

They'll probably split the differences.
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#1327 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:58 am

pricetag56 wrote:And why is the euro so much farther west?

Has a weaker system compared to the GFS.
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#1328 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:59 am

Have a feeling they might not put a whole lot of faith into it and lean a lot closer to gfs. Debby certainly comes to mind.
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#1329 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:59 am

Kingarabian wrote:
meriland23 wrote:strange that the euro is going more west while everyone else is more east... this is regardless of pace

Have to feel for the NHC...

yeah, what the eff to do sort of situation for sure. I would give the euro a few more runs, see if they are still sticking to their guns. If the GFS does not lean more westward in agreement afterward.. don't think I will pay much attention to euro
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#1330 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:01 am

I am more concerned about strength though. I mean, in the past.. out of pure curiousity, has euro been accurate in terms of wind speeds? Or do they over-underestimate typically?
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1331 Postby TwisterFanatic » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:01 am

Riptide wrote:This is exactly what happened during Tropical Storm Debby; the euro will move towards the GFS slowly in future runs.


Making definite statements like this is not very smart.

So, I guess one instance = every situation from now on.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1332 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 am

west run for the EURO....even futher west than the 12Z....
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1333 Postby USTropics » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 am

Considering the model agreement on a more eastern track, Euro's westward bias, and the fact that the Euro keeps Isaac pretty weak through the Caribbean (aiding in the westward bias) I wouldn't discount it but it seems pretty skeptical.
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#1334 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 am

meriland23 wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
meriland23 wrote:strange that the euro is going more west while everyone else is more east... this is regardless of pace

Have to feel for the NHC...

yeah, what the eff to do sort of situation for sure. I would give the euro a few more runs, see if they are still sticking to their guns. If the GFS does not lean more westward in agreement afterward.. don't think I will pay much attention to euro

The 0z Euro run seems plausible but the ULL over Isaac will be moving away and Isaac is wrapping up really nicely tonight. Will see what happens.
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#1335 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:04 am

Kingarabian wrote:
pricetag56 wrote:And why is the euro so much farther west?

Has a weaker system compared to the GFS.




Weaker up until about 120hr then it bombs in the GOM....


Lets not forget the the EURO nailed IKE and the other models took forever to catch on....it set the trend...
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#1336 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:05 am

meriland23 wrote:I am more concerned about strength though. I mean, in the past.. out of pure curiousity, has euro been accurate in terms of wind speeds? Or do they over-underestimate typically?

The Euro and the GFS aren't exactly intensity models.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1337 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:07 am

CYCLONE MIKE wrote:Wow huge difference thru 216 hrs compared to gfs. This is going to either be redemption for the euro or total fail this season. Not sure which way to lean yet.


Reason it stays weaker is land interaction through carib. ? Is definitely weaker than gfs until reaching the gulf. Like I said redemption or massive fail. What you think rock?
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#1338 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:07 am

ROCK wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
pricetag56 wrote:And why is the euro so much farther west?

Has a weaker system compared to the GFS.




Weaker up until about 120hr then it bombs in the GOM....


Lets not forget the the EURO nailed IKE and the other models took forever to catch on....it set the trend...

That's what I meant, thanks for the correction!

Thought you slept through your alarm clock :D.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1339 Postby stormhunter7 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:07 am

not buying into either globals yet.. but we have seen, with a system moving over 15kts.. its hard for low level reflection to stay attached to upper level environment, even with shear moving away. The strong ATL high has kept systems running a nice pace through caribbean on a west ward track, so far this year. The fact that euro keeps sliding west has got my attention for now....
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#1340 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:09 am

CYCLONE MIKE wrote:
CYCLONE MIKE wrote:Wow huge difference thru 216 hrs compared to gfs. This is going to either be redemption for the euro or total fail this season. Not sure which way to lean yet.


Reason it stays weaker is land interaction through carib. Is definitely weaker that gfs until reaching the gulf. Lime I said redemption or massive fail. What you think rock?




I hug the EURO though I have been looking at the GFS more after Debbie.....you are correct ...it gets jacked up near Hispa which keeps it weaker and it never makes the trof connection.....shoots the channel and bombs.,,
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