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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3561 Postby Cyclenall » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:29 pm

brunota2003 wrote:Eye see you too? I really wish recon was out there right now?

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Wait, recon is not sampling it right now? :eek: That's too bad, it appears Isaac's inner core is becoming much better organized in the last few hours...I'm a bit surprised how fast and well considering its about to hit Haiti (and smash Port Au Prince). This is close to the worse case scenario for that city, most are living in tents and I can't imagine anything less than a huge disaster. There are two things I thought Isaac would do no matter what: 1. Be a deadly tropical cyclone and 2. Become a hurricane at some point. The first and second predictions might be occurring right now.

Again, I find a tropical cyclone near these islands completely different and moving NNW to NW :roll: .
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3562 Postby SapphireSea » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:32 pm

Looking at WV and while Isaac looks great in organization, it's starting to trend to a very anemic look convection wise. I'd say it's holding steady on strength for now. Since the storm is more stacked it's feeling the weakness alot more. The slow movement I would say that steering isn't exactly well established though. We have to see if the bit of convection around the center can persist and intensify tonight.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3563 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:36 pm

This radar at Guantanamo will be very important in the next 24 hours.

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http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar_li ... R&loop=yes
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#3564 Postby MHurricanes » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:36 pm

Vortex wrote:
MHurricanes wrote:BigB8002 wrote:

"I would say that the big problem is JB is focusing on the NAM to try and get his predictions to come to fruition. lol"

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Actually, Joe mentioned the NAM only in passing. He's has had his eye on the west coast trough for quite some time. I respect Joe's meteorological acumen and have interviewed him several times for my ClimateTruth blog.

We'll see in two or three days which direction this storm tracks. There are plenty of factors still in play that could influence Isaac's path.



wheres JB have the storm heading these days???


Here is the analysis he put together this afternoon prior to appearing on FOX News.
Joe has been relatively consistent in his storm track projections for Isaac, with only a few adjustments.

http://www.weatherbell.com/tropical-upd ... -25-4-15pm
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#3565 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:37 pm

Just my opinion, but i think NHC should consider getting rid of the cone altogether. It confuses people... they think that the cone is the area that will receive affects... they don't understand the strike probability that the cone is supposed to convey. The closer you get to the storm, the smaller the cone gets, which many people mistakenly interpret to mean that they won't receive affects. Instead, they should show a band of expected wind speed coverage for the storm's passage so that people can see the actual width of a tropical cyclone. You see this band from time to time on some sites, but the cone is usually the graphic that gets the most coverage.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3566 Postby artist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:40 pm

sunnyday wrote:Well, I guess things are going to be just fine in Palm Beach County on Monday. The school board has stated that all public schools will be open on Monday because it doesn't appear that Isaac will have a "direct impact" on the county. They do advise parents of children who have to walk to school or ride their bikes to watch out for "periods of heavy rain," however.
I'm surprised that they can predict what is going to happen 3 days ahead. Can't things change by then? Hmmmmm.... 8-) 8-)

remember back in 2004 no evacuations even until Frances was right upon us? It was ridiculous. Of course the school board is different, but...
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3567 Postby timmeister » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:41 pm

SapphireSea wrote:@ Hurricane Andrew

That's a very nice map and concept. I would remove the storm category legend from the S2k map through. It can be confusing people into thinking all in yellow = Cat 1 winds. I know it's not official. :)


No, don't remove the storm category legend. Just put a red box around the storms current category.

One thing I would change though, under "Storm Name", remove Tropical Cyclone Isaac. Down here in the South we call them Hurricanes and we don't know what a Cyclone is. LOL So under Storm Name put just "Isaac" or "Tropical Storm Isaac" and once Isaac is a cane, put "Hurricane Isaac".

It's a great map by the way, good job!
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3568 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:42 pm

Latest Microwave.

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#3569 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:42 pm

this stalling motion is either it intensifying and or the circulation may be be getting stuck on the mountains somewhat. we have seen this happen before.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3570 Postby ObsessedMiami » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:42 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:Just my opinion, but i think NHC should consider getting rid of the cone altogether. It confuses people... they think that the cone is the area that will receive affects... they don't understand the strike probability that the cone is supposed to convey. The closer you get to the storm, the smaller the cone gets, which many people mistakenly interpret to mean that they won't receive affects. Instead, they should show a band of expected wind speed coverage for the storm's passage so that people can see the actual width of a tropical cyclone. You see this band from time to time on some sites, but the cone is usually the graphic that gets the most coverage.

I agree but feel more strongly about eliminating the five day cone, which is usually more prone to change. But keep the three day one
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#3571 Postby monicaei » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:43 pm

Off topic, sorry Mods, but trying to get my sources straight as I sort through all the info... I've heard much talk about Joe Bastardi on here before. To clarify, he's Fox News' met?
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#3572 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:43 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:this stalling motion is either it intensifying and or the circulation may be be getting stuck on the mountains somewhat. we have seen this happen before.


Aric, any theories about what implications a stall or slow down might have on the track?
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3573 Postby HarryPotter » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:44 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:Just my opinion, but i think NHC should consider getting rid of the cone altogether. It confuses people... they think that the cone is the area that will receive affects... they don't understand the strike probability that the cone is supposed to convey. The closer you get to the storm, the smaller the cone gets, which many people mistakenly interpret to mean that they won't receive affects. Instead, they should show a band of expected wind speed coverage for the storm's passage so that people can see the actual width of a tropical cyclone. You see this band from time to time on some sites, but the cone is usually the graphic that gets the most coverage.


Not a bad suggestion. Use something similar to what the JTWC uses perhaps...but more of "this is how big the storm is, or how far out it's effects are" kind of graphic...along with something like the Typhoon center's style "cone" to show error perhaps. Hurrevac software also does wind swath graphics, and I know there are others... But you are right...the cone can be misleading to those who aren't in it that think they don't need to prepare.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3574 Postby SapphireSea » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:45 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:Just my opinion, but i think NHC should consider getting rid of the cone altogether. It confuses people... they think that the cone is the area that will receive affects... they don't understand the strike probability that the cone is supposed to convey. The closer you get to the storm, the smaller the cone gets, which many people mistakenly interpret to mean that they won't receive affects. Instead, they should show a band of expected wind speed coverage for the storm's passage so that people can see the actual width of a tropical cyclone. You see this band from time to time on some sites, but the cone is usually the graphic that gets the most coverage.


Personally I do like the JTWC approach. They do still have a cone, but the storm's representation shows various wind fields like some unofficial sites. They can superimpose a storm swath as well, but realistically the more organized the storm is, the closer it gets to the myth of a storm being a dot. A storm like Andrew which maintained perfect intensity through it's landfall held only a small area of the Catagory 4 winds, I think literally a 5-10 mile swath. Now mind you that the 100KT and 80KT swath was about 15-30 miles with it quickly dropping off to 50KT.

Wilma had a giant swath of wind, but had very dangerous cells with microbursts and tornadoes associated. A hurricanes capacity to cause damage is unquantifiable, even once intensity forecasting is perfected. I think a general threat area superimposed on a cone of error is the right way to go.
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#3575 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:45 pm

monicaei wrote:Off topic, sorry Mods, but trying to get my sources straight as I sort through all the info... I've heard much talk about Joe Bastardi on here before. To clarify, he's Fox News' met?


He has a BS degree from Penn State and works for weatherbell.com. He previously worked at accuweather.com
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#3576 Postby HurricaneBelle » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:45 pm

monicaei wrote:Off topic, sorry Mods, but trying to get my sources straight as I sort through all the info... I've heard much talk about Joe Bastardi on here before. To clarify, he's Fox News' met?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=joe+bastardi
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3577 Postby StormClouds63 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:46 pm

What happened to the convection?
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3578 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:49 pm

@twc_hurricane

Tropical Storm Isaac: 11 PM ET, 70 mph winds, 990 mb, moving NW at 14 mph. http://wxch.nl/r1tYL6
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#3579 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:50 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:this stalling motion is either it intensifying and or the circulation may be be getting stuck on the mountains somewhat. we have seen this happen before.


Aric, any theories about what implications a stall or slow down might have on the track?


well in the short term not much the weakness will be there long enough to get it close enough to south florida that there will most likely be a threat. long term the weakness could fill back in enough to allow more wnw motion but from all models I have seen there are not just one short wave there are a series of them coming so it will get picked up at some point. this motion is temporary and should soon resume. so it wont affect the models much since it was actually faster the than the 12z models all afternoon and evening so essentially its still on track. if it for some reason continues this very slow erratic motion for another 12 hours there might be some track changes.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3580 Postby jinftl » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:51 pm

CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH 11PM ADVISORY...

A HURRICANE WATCH AND A TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR
ALL OF THE FLORIDA KEYS...INCLUDING FLORIDA BAY...AND FOR THE COAST
OF THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA FROM OCEAN REEF ON THE EAST COAST
WESTWARD TO BONITA BEACH ON THE WEST COAST.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SOUTHEAST FLORIDA
COAST FROM NORTH OF OCEAN REEF NORTHWARD TO JUPITER INLET...AND FOR
LAKE OKEECHOBEE.

THE GOVERNMENT OF THE BAHAMAS HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WARNING
FOR ALL OF THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS.

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE EAST-CENTRAL FLORIDA
COAST FROM NORTH OF JUPITER INLET TO SEBASTIAN INLET.

THE CAYMAN ISLANDS METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL
STORM WATCH FOR THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.
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