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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4281 Postby Hurricane Cheese » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:16 pm

CYCLONE MIKE wrote::uarrow: Yep here is part of long range discussion...

THE ECMWF RECURVES ISAAC AHEAD OF A MID-LATITUDE
TROUGH OVER THE EASTERN UNITED STATES...WHILE THE GFS SLOWS ISAAC
DOWN AS THE TROUGH BYPASSES THE SYSTEM AND THE MODEL THEN TURNS
THE CYCLONE WESTWARD TO THE SOUTH OF A DEVELOPING MID- TO
UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE. THIS BIFURCATION IS ALSO SEEN IN THE MOST RECENT
ECMWF AND GFS ENSEMBLES WITH ABOUT AN EQUAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS
SHOWING RECURVATURE VERSUS A CONTINUE NORTHWESTERLY TRACK TOWARD
THE NORTHERN GULF COAST. SINCE THE UNCERTAINTY IS LARGE AND EITHER
OF THESE SCENARIOS ARE POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME...THE NHC FORECAST IS
LIES BETWEEN THEM. THE UPDATED TRACK IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS
ADVISORY THROUGH 36 HOURS. AFTER THAT TIME...THE TRACK HAS BEEN
ADJUSTED WESTWARD...BUT IT REMAINS EAST OF THE DYNAMICAL MODEL
CONSENSUS TO RETAIN SOME CONTINUITY WITH THE PREVIOUS FORECAST.

This could get very interesting for the N.O. areas and south. Supposed to have 72hr evac plan. They cant sit on this too much longer before begin having to make decisions.


Agreed. The NHC HAS to at least be giving them their best guesses privately tonight to the emergency planners. I'm sitting here watching the Saints pre-season game, wondering how many people in the Superdome known the growing danger that could be coming toward them...
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4282 Postby Jevo » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:19 pm

CYCLONE MIKE wrote:Jevo, could you post a pic or two of what the 18z gfs and another more western model show as far as ridge and weakness compared to the same time frame as the 72 hr NAM


I was looking at a few runs from 18z.. The weakness is there on the 18z runs but not as stong, however the storm was depicted as moving faster in those runs earlier on and slowing down after landfall. It seems in the 0z runs the storm is moving slower earlier on allowing the trough to dig down and the ridge to erode.. It's going to be interesting to watch the GFS and EURO come out.. As a reminder this run will have the G-IV data in it as well..

If a promet can check my logic there and let me know if I'm off :uarrow:
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#4283 Postby SeminoleWind » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:20 pm

deltadog03 wrote:
Jevo wrote:0z NAM Loop.. Ahh the trough digging in toward the end of the run... Thats going to be the kicker.. It all depends on timing

http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/ ... MLoop.html


CORRECT!!! That weakness looks stronger this run...GFS and EURO will be interesting...


could that cause Isaac's track to shift NNE-NE at the end of the run with that big break in the ridge?
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#4284 Postby wxwatcher1999 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:21 pm

Does anyone think there is a possibility the models can trend over to sw Louisiana or the upper Texas coast?
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#4285 Postby deltadog03 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:21 pm

SeminoleWind wrote:
deltadog03 wrote:
Jevo wrote:0z NAM Loop.. Ahh the trough digging in toward the end of the run... Thats going to be the kicker.. It all depends on timing

http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/ ... MLoop.html


CORRECT!!! That weakness looks stronger this run...GFS and EURO will be interesting...


could that cause Isaac's track to shift NNE-NE at the end of the run with that big break in the ridge?

Yes, if the trof can pick it up a bit.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4286 Postby Hurricane Cheese » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:22 pm

@JimCantore

MS, AL #NOLA you are all in play MT @wxbrad: significant shift west in the track guidance with #Isaac.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4287 Postby Hurricane Cheese » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:23 pm

‏@JimCantore

Westward model shift is worrisome & not totally reflected in latest cone 4continuity: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphic ... e#contents … Big day in #Isaacs life tomorrow
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4288 Postby USTropics » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:23 pm

Tropical Storm warnings up to Tarpon Springs including Tampa...Just got home from work and now I have to be back early in the morning. Awesome.
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#4289 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:24 pm

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wxwatcher1999 wrote:Does anyone think there is a possibility the models can trend over to sw Louisiana or the upper Texas coast?


SWLA is about as far west as I would go...jmo...looking at the guidance and ensembles....


Mod please add disclaimer...I am at a bar...thanks
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#4290 Postby wx247 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:26 pm

ROCK wrote:
wxwatcher1999 wrote:Does anyone think there is a possibility the models can trend over to sw Louisiana or the upper Texas coast?


SWLA is about as far west as I would go...jmo...looking at the guidance and ensembles....


Mod please add disclaimer...I am at a bar...thanks


The bar disclaimer is all we really need. :D :wink: j/k

Seriously though... Cantore is right. Will sit back now and watch as the GFS comes out.
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#4291 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:29 pm

00Z GFS is rolling out now...yet it incorrectly initializes Isaac as being over Cuba:

00Z initialization

And it keeps Isaac over or near Cuba:

09Z forecast
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#4292 Postby Blinhart » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:30 pm

wxwatcher1999 wrote:Does anyone think there is a possibility the models can trend over to sw Louisiana or the upper Texas coast?


Not a pro but I think the possibility is still out there, but I'm thinking more like central Louisiana around Vermillion Bay is the furthest West it will go, which wouldn't be good for me.
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#4293 Postby Jevo » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:34 pm

0z GFS Initialized

Image

0z GFS +12

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#4294 Postby TwisterFanatic » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:34 pm

Pretty much identical as 18z through 18 hours.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4295 Postby HeeBGBz » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:35 pm

When does the next Euro happen?
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4296 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:36 pm

Delta, the short wave ain't deep enough to pick this up....it's all about timing and how much it creates a weakness...you have seen the ensembles, you have seen the runs that drift this at the coast north...it ain't going to eject NE...not initially anyways..JMO
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#4297 Postby Jevo » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:36 pm

0z GFS +18 (Initial CONUS Landfall)

Image

0z GFS +24

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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4298 Postby Nikki » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:36 pm

HeeBGBz wrote:When does the next Euro happen?



1:00 AM CDT
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#4299 Postby thetruesms » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:36 pm

wx247 wrote:The 0z GFS should be running soon, correct?
Technically, the GFS had been running for about 20 minutes when you made that post. The images we see posted are only the last portion of the running of the model. First, it has to remove old data files and prep the system for the new run (takes about 10 minutes). Then it needs to make its analysis; that's taking in all the observed station data, radiosondes, satellite data, etc. and creating its best guess at what reality is like within its grids. This takes about another 25 minutes. Then it gets started on running through the forecast. As it gets to the determined times, it will dump out and upload output files, which are then used to generate the maps.

Just thought I'd mention it, since it seems like there's this general sentiment (may be real, I may just be imagining it) that somebody manually puts in some numbers representing "the data", then hits a button and out pops some maps, just like that. Really, its a bunch of scripts and programs that pull in huge batches of data automatically, run through some intense algorithms to try and reproduce the world, then numerically approximate solutions to a ton of equations, which some more scripts then use to make the maps we see. It's a process that, despite using large clusters of extremely powerful computers, still takes quite a while (edit - for the GFS, about two hours from start to finish). Hopefully this was interesting to someone out there. Otherwise, I guess it was a decent way to kill some time.

By the by, if you ever want to see how the NCEP models are progressing, you can visit http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... index.html. Tonight, we're running a little bit ahead of schedule! 8-)
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Models

#4300 Postby MidnightRain » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:38 pm

GFS initialized over Cuba....might be trash.
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