ATL: ISAAC - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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#6281 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:10 pm

Dropsonde measured 982 mb with 11 knot surface winds, so 981mb seems a good measure. This thing is really deepening now.
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#6282 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:11 pm

SouthDadeFish wrote:Dropsonde measured 982 mb with 11 knot surface winds, so 981mb seems a good measure. This thing is really deepening now.


Indeed, 981mb probable pressure. Still no wind data to support a cane yet.
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#6283 Postby rainstorm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:12 pm

981-982 is awfully low for a tropical storm
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6284 Postby Sanibel » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:14 pm

Something weird is happening where it's trading-off dry air for pressure and equalizing.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6285 Postby hcane27 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:14 pm

Just a thought ..... :idea: .....Isaac stregnthens significantly ... notices weakness ... moves north to northeast and into Florida east of Destin ..... :roll: ... just sayin' .... silly I know ... but it is about the only thing that the storm hasn't done ....


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#6286 Postby Shuriken » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:15 pm

I'm sticking with my large eye theory.

IIRC, Katrina spent a disconcertingly long time as a sputtering 105mph storm before suddenly exploding.
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#6287 Postby rainstorm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:16 pm

JB has a point when he wonders how a 1007 mb storm can have 65 mph winds and a 981 mb storm can have 65 mph winds. 26 mb's is a huge difference. under normal circumstances 981 can easily support 90 mph winds.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6288 Postby wxman57 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:17 pm

Plane did find a 73-74kt FL wind southwest of the center, but SFMR reports were well below 65 kts. Wouldn't dispute an estimate of 70-75 mph wind at the surface southwest of the center now. If it's not a 'cane now, it should be soon.
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#6289 Postby wxman57 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:18 pm

rainstorm wrote:JB has a point when he wonders how a 1007 mb storm can have 65 mph winds and a 981 mb storm can have 65 mph winds. 26 mb's is a huge difference.


I know! I know! It's because the winds yesterday were a bit (way) overstated by the advisories. The NHC doesn't like to lower a storm's wind speed as it's near land. This means sometimes saying a storm has 65 mph wind when the actual winds are closer to 50. They never want to give the public any reason not to heed TS warnings. Their goal is to protect lives and I can't fault them for that.
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#6290 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:20 pm

Do you see what eye see?

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L. Eye Character: Open in the north
M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles)
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6291 Postby PTPatrick » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:21 pm

My question is if it's strengthening and pressure dropping, why did cloud tops just start warming...
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#6292 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:22 pm

rainstorm wrote:JB has a point when he wonders how a 1007 mb storm can have 65 mph winds and a 981 mb storm can have 65 mph winds. 26 mb's is a huge difference. under normal circumstances 981 can easily support 90 mph winds.


Irene at one point had winds of that with a 962 mb pressure.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6293 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 pm

PTPatrick wrote:My question is if it's strengthening and pressure dropping, why did cloud tops just start warming...

heh well you guys already heard my take on it...
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#6294 Postby Jimsot » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 pm

wxman57 wrote:
rainstorm wrote:JB has a point when he wonders how a 1007 mb storm can have 65 mph winds and a 981 mb storm can have 65 mph winds. 26 mb's is a huge difference.


I know! I know! It's because the winds yesterday were a bit (way) overstated by the advisories. The NHC doesn't like to lower a storm's wind speed as it's near land. This means sometimes saying a storm has 65 mph wind when the actual winds are closer to 50. They never want to give the public any reason not to heed TS warnings. Their goal is to protect lives and I can't fault them for that.



Well then let them just make it a Hurricane already, we have all waited long enough. Sarcasm :wink:
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6295 Postby GCANE » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 pm

Expanding on WV

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/ ... nhanced+24

Looks like he is beginning to push the ULL to his SW away.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/w ... oom=&time=
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#6296 Postby drezee » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:25 pm

westwind wrote:Looks to be deepening quite fast now.

The pressure is still dropping at the buoy it passed directly over a couple of hours ago.

Lowest pressure recorded was 985.3 mb with winds around 35kt.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42003&unit=E&tz=STN


Pressure down to
2:19 pm 984.8 mb

with 56 mph sustained winds and gusts to 65 mph!!
2:19 pm 48.6 kts SSW ( 200 deg true )
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6297 Postby raynief » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:26 pm

I have a question myself and my family live in the Denham Springs/Watson area and I was curious what might we be looking at storm wise?? and should we evacuate? I feel evacuation is a little extreme, but then again we have never had a storm head straight for us like this either. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
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#6298 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:27 pm

drezee wrote:
westwind wrote:Looks to be deepening quite fast now.

The pressure is still dropping at the buoy it passed directly over a couple of hours ago.

Lowest pressure recorded was 985.3 mb with winds around 35kt.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42003&unit=E&tz=STN


Pressure down to
2:19 pm 984.8 mb

with 56 mph sustained winds and gusts to 65 mph!!
2:19 pm 48.6 kts SSW ( 200 deg true )


That buoy data would suggest a surface pressure of 980mb.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6299 Postby monicaei » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:28 pm

raynief wrote:I have a question myself and my family live in the Denham Springs/Watson area and I was curious what might we be looking at storm wise?? and should we evacuate? I feel evacuation is a little extreme, but then again we have never had a storm head straight for us like this either. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)


Totally uneducated opinion, from right down the road... But we are treating it like Gustav. Be ready to be camping for a while! Good luck.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#6300 Postby MHurricanes » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:30 pm

Joe Bastardi Tweet:

"Isaac pressure down to 982. horseshoe Eye appearing"

pic.twitter.com/FRHOWfxf

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/stat ... 6806679552
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