ATL: ISAAC - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[ColinDelia]

Still a fair amount of dry air in between the center and the Florida peninsula.

[capepoint]

outer bands approaching fla se of panama city and also extreme se la. If they pack anything like the punch that the far eastern band packed in southern fl earlier we could be arriving at the things-go-downhill-quick point for some folks.

[pcolaman]

Eye is a mess again. this storm is a disaster lol i'm doubting it will ever become a hurricane now

RECON already supports the upgrade I believe.....

I thought so also

[monicaei]

I respect what you say tolakram,thus I won't mention JB anymore, but I disagree with you in that I think we have a right to question or criticize anything anyone says that is way over the top and dramatic... I won't do that on this forum, but you can bet that JB will get messages from me via Twitter.

Actually what I intended to say is stop the bashing. Respectful disagreement is ok. I think the comment was really over the top, but it was out of context and I did not see it, so I really can't say.

Tolakram,

This is what Joe's Tweet says verbatim:
Joe Bastardi
"form [from] noaa office in NewOrleans. predicting Katrina like values for New Orleans."

In other words, he's citing NOAA.

Here is NOAA map of flooding he provides:

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/stat ... 53/photo/1

It's SHOCKING the NOAA guys holding the press conferences with Jindal every few hours didn't mention we are worse off than Katrina. Is there a reason that attempting (unsuccessfully, thank god no one knows who this is) to incite panic seems like a good idea? What's the point?

['CaneFreak]

70 knot flight level winds don't qualify an upgrade...heck, this thing is becoming more cold core with an eye temp of 16 C? No way this thing is going to intensify with that cold of a core...

Edit: However, the last recon VDM showed an eye temp of 22 Degrees C...maybe the latest one was taken at the wrong place or something...seems rather strange to have 6 degree C differential in eye temps over 1 hour or so...

Eye is a mess again. this storm is a disaster lol i'm doubting it will ever become a hurricane now

RECON already supports the upgrade I believe.....

I thought so also

[tolakram]

Interesting image and loop.

live IR loop, 30 frames, takes a while to load: http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ge ... =spect.pal

latest IR

[rainstorm]

its very irresponsible to compare this to katrina in any way. they couldnt be any further apart. katrina near this point was a 902? cat5 super storm. isaac is a dried up TS.

['CaneFreak]

Dry air and shear my friend

Lol.... is Isaac ever going to intensify?

How has a storm stayed a tropical storm THIS long?

[thatwhichisnt]

Interesting image and loop.

live IR loop, 30 frames, takes a while to load: http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ge ... =spect.pal

latest IR

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/784/zztemp.jpg

Looks like half an eye wall is trying to form. Other side will be tough given the dry air.

[GCRain]

Interesting image and loop.

live IR loop, 30 frames, takes a while to load: http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ge ... =spect.pal

latest IR

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/784/zztemp.jpg

Is it just sitting there? Hard to detect any movement.

[jaxfladude]

Crap, if this motion continues it'll be another sleepless night!

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Tell about it, only had a few good nights' sleep in a long time.....bed time for me whenever.....2-5am
avg....Isaac's m.o. is NOT helping matters. Until Isaac is history......Prayers to all of those in Isaac'a path and those already impacted by him.

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[Camille(CaneOnAPill)]

-NOT AN OFFICIAL FORECAST AND SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN AS SUCH, JUST AN OPINION FROM AN AMATEUR WEATHER ENTHUSIAST-

Still some dry air to Isaac's northeast between him and FL, but area seems to be moistening up or will moisten up with thunderstorm convection as time progresses. So, still has a shot of Cat. 2 in my opinion.

[Ikester]

its very irresponsible to compare this to katrina in any way. they couldnt be any further apart. katrina near this point was a 902? cat5 super storm. isaac is a dried up TS.

THIS! This storm is not and never will be Katrina. I'm beginning to wonder if it ever tops 80 mph. The storm has a lot going against it. First, the dry air to the north. Second, it's a race against time before it reaches land. It will start to, if it hasn't already, start to wrap drier air into it from the continent as it gets closer. Third, it's size. The pressure is dropping, sure. But the storm is not responding because the gradient has remained relatively flat for most of its life thanks to dry air and land interaction. Not to mention, it'll take a deeper pressure to equate to a minimal hurricane that a higher pressure would equate to on a smaller storm. Isaac is a great example that hot water means squat if the upper-level conditions aren't right.

We're here in Biloxi, Mississippi doing live shots. I'm kind of amazed that there is absolutely no sense of urgency with the residents here. Only a hand full of people have boarded up. Some people are leaving, most are staying. People exercising and strolling the beach. It's a beautiful night. We'll see but I am not impressed with what I see.

[DukeDevil91]

The comparison to Katrina is so embarrassingly bad that it shames me to even mention it in this thread.

[Frank P]

its very irresponsible to compare this to katrina in any way. they couldnt be any further apart. katrina near this point was a 902? cat5 super storm. isaac is a dried up TS.

THIS! This storm is not and never will be Katrina. I'm beginning to wonder if it ever tops 80 mph. The storm has a lot going against it. First, the dry air to the north. Second, it's a race against time before it reaches land. It will start to, if it hasn't already, start to wrap drier air into it from the continent as it gets closer. Third, it's size. The pressure is dropping, sure. But the storm is not responding because the gradient has remained relatively flat for most of its life thanks to dry air and land interaction. Isaac is a great example that hot water means squat if the upper-level conditions aren't right.

We're here in Biloxi, Mississippi doing live shots. I'm kind of amazed that there is absolutely no sense of urgency with the residents here. Only a hand full of people have boarded up. Some people are leaving, most are staying. People exercising and strolling the beach. It's a beautiful night. We'll see but I am not impressed with what I see.[/quote

I live on the beach in Biloxi and many who rebuild after Katrina have impact glass, which requires no boarding.. and yes, this will be nothing like Katrina.. I do have roll down shutter on the front of my house additionally.... I also sense no real urgency from my neighbors who are all planning on riding out the storm in my neighborhood...

[WeatherGuesser]

The comparison to Katrina is so embarrassingly bad that it shames me to even mention it in this thread.

And yet, people continue to do it.

[weatherSnoop]

Isaac recently "spit off" that east coast blob, taking with it the band that was raking the east coast. My questions are:

Will this allow the storm to create its own east side convection, or did it just remove all of the moisture?

Is this blob of energy off the east coast of FL something to watch for homebrew?

[monicaei]

And profoundly offensive... How quickly people forget what K really was.

Doesn't take a meteorology degree to figure out this isn't gonna kill a couple thousand people, cripple a major metropolitan area and profoundly change the landscape of an entire state.

Never forget, huh?

[ConvergenceZone]

its very irresponsible to compare this to katrina in any way. they couldnt be any further apart. katrina near this point was a 902? cat5 super storm. isaac is a dried up TS.

THIS! This storm is not and never will be Katrina. I'm beginning to wonder if it ever tops 80 mph. The storm has a lot going against it. First, the dry air to the north. Second, it's a race against time before it reaches land. It will start to, if it hasn't already, start to wrap drier air into it from the continent as it gets closer. Third, it's size. The pressure is dropping, sure. But the storm is not responding because the gradient has remained relatively flat for most of its life thanks to dry air and land interaction. Not to mention, it'll take a deeper pressure to equate to a minimal hurricane that a higher pressure would equate to on a smaller storm. Isaac is a great example that hot water means squat if the upper-level conditions aren't right.

We're here in Biloxi, Mississippi doing live shots. I'm kind of amazed that there is absolutely no sense of urgency with the residents here. Only a hand full of people have boarded up. Some people are leaving, most are staying. People exercising and strolling the beach. It's a beautiful night. We'll see but I am not impressed with what I see.

One thing though Ikester, Wxman mentioned that Isaac isn't that large, so size shouldn't be an issue, but it seems like the NHC thinks that size is an issue...So I don't know what to believe anymore...

I agree with you rearding the not sure if it will even get past 80 mph...I tell you what, if Isaac doesn't become a hurricane, then I'm not going to expect much in the tropics the rest of the year... If you think about it, Isaac has had the Atlantic, the Carib and the Gulf to get stronger and each instance, it has either been dry air, shear or cooler than normal water temperatures that has failed to develop it..... So , if Isaac can't get going, then I have doubts that anything this year will be able to get going, and so far with the systems we've had so far, we've witnessed just that with absolutely no evidence that the conditions in the Atlantic, Carib or Gulf will change........... I'll give Isaac one last chance though before I put my conclusion in stone....

[stormreader]

Tiring watching this thing, and now its motion appears to have really slowed. No it looks like it might struggle to reach hurricane strength. But just when you get tired and a little complacent, you get bit!! Have to be vigilant.