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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#281 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:55 am

Bocadude85 wrote:The NWS Miami is now calling for winds up to 55mph here.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=mfl&zmx=1&zmy=1&map.x=261&map.y=87


yeah not surprising..and being that it will be a tropical cyclone at the time it passes by they will likely have watches and warnings up.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#282 Postby Bocadude85 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:57 am

Aric Dunn wrote:
Bocadude85 wrote:The NWS Miami is now calling for winds up to 55mph here.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=mfl&zmx=1&zmy=1&map.x=261&map.y=87


yeah not surprising..and being that it will be a tropical cyclone at the time it passes by they will likely have watches and warnings up.



Yea right after I posted that they changed the wording to tropical storm conditions possible.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=26.371622474420025&lon=-80.06848406372069
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#283 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:02 pm

From HPC:

PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
959 AM EDT TUE OCT 23 2012

VALID 12Z SAT OCT 27 2012 - 12Z TUE OCT 30 2012


...POTENTIAL FOR MAJOR STORM OVER THE MID ATLANTIC & NORTHEAST
EARLY NEXT WEEK...

UPDATED THE PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 THROUGH 7
USING THE 00Z/23 EUROPEAN CENTRE ENSEMBLE MEAN, WITH A SMALL
INCORPORATION OF THE 00Z/23 EUROPEAN CENTRE DETERMINISTIC MODEL TO
LEND MORE DEFINITION TO THE SYNOPTIC GRADIENTS ACROSS THE NATION.
USED THE MOST RECENT FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER
FOR THE TRACK OF TROPICAL STORM SANDY THROUGH DAY 5, WITH A CURVE
TO THE NORTHWEST DAYS 6 AND 7 BASED ON THE ECENS MEAN. THE 00Z/23
GEM GLOBAL CONTINUES TO CLUSTER WITH THE ECMWF FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF
SANDY ONCE IT TRANSITIONS TO A SUBTROPICAL SYSTEM, INDICATING THAT
THE CYCLONE GETS PULLED BACK TOWARD THE SHARP UPPER TROUGH CLOSING
OVER THE OHIO VALLEY. THE ECMWF AND GEM GLOBAL HAVE SEVERAL RUNS
OF CONTINUITY NOW WITH THE EVOLUTION OF THIS EVENT, WITH THE
DETERMINISTIC GFS LESS STABLE. THERE HAVE BEEN GFS ENSEMBLE
MEMBERS QUITE SIMILAR TO THE ECMWF/GEM CAMP FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS
OF MODEL CYCLES, PUTTING THE DETERMINISTIC GFS SOLUTIONS IN A
BROADER FRAMEWORK WITH THEIR TRACK OF SANDY WELL OVER THE OPEN
ATLANTIC. WILL BE UPDATING THE TRACK OF SANDY THROUGH DAY 5 FOR
THE FINAL PACKAGE WITH THE ADVENT OF THE NEW NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER FORECAST, AND ITS BEHAVIOR AS A SUBTROPICAL LOW THEREAFTER
AS PER OUR HOTLINE COORDINATION.


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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#284 Postby sfwx » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:04 pm

Hazardous Weather Outlook
HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1225 PM EDT TUE OCT 23 2012




.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
TROPICAL STORM SANDY IS FORECAST TO LIFT NORTH FROM THE CARIBBEAN
SEA...CROSSING THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY.
CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT THE STORM CENTER WILL REMAIN WELL OFF THE
FLORIDA ATLANTIC COAST...BUT SOME UNCERTAINTY REMAINS AS TO HOW
FAR OFFSHORE AS WELL AS ITS INTENSITY. REGARDLESS...LOCAL IMPACTS
WILL INCLUDE INCREASING NORTH TO NORTHEAST WINDS...HIGH SURF AND
STRONG RIP CURRENTS LATE THIS WEEK. VERY HAZARDOUS MARINE AND
SURF CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP BY THURSDAY AND CONTINUE
INTO THE WEEKEND.

IN ADDITION...STRONG NORTH TO NORTHEAST WINDS OF 25 TO 35 MPH WITH
SOME HIGHER GUSTS WILL BE OPTIMAL FOR BEACH EROSION ALONG THE EAST
CENTRAL FLORIDA COAST. SIGNIFICANT BEACH EROSION IS LIKELY.
ALSO...RAIN SQUALLS MAY OCCUR AT THE COAST THROUGH SATURDAY.


MARINE AND COASTAL INTERESTS ARE ADVISED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION
TO THE EVOLUTION OF THIS SYSTEM.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...
SPOTTER ACTIVATION WILL NOT BE NEEDED TODAY.

$$

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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#285 Postby WeatherOrKnot » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:12 pm

CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT THE STORM CENTER WILL REMAIN WELL OFF THE
FLORIDA ATLANTIC COAST


Glad they are so confident :roll:
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#286 Postby weatherwindow » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:30 pm

Here is the latest Offshore Marine Forecast for the Bahamas ...apparently assuming weakening post Cuba however the Globals are maintaining hurricane strength thru the Central and Northwest Bahamas..time will tell. In addition, the eventual size of the system and the radius of TS force winds is uncertain and will be a major determinant as to what impacts coastal Florida may feel Thurs-Sat

AMZ117-232030-
BAHAMAS INCLUDING CAY SAL BANK-
1129 AM EDT TUE OCT 23 2012

.THIS AFTERNOON...NE TO E WINDS 15 TO 20 KT. SEAS 5 TO 7 FT.
SCATTERED TSTMS.
.TONIGHT...E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT. SEAS 5 TO 8 FT. SCATTERED
SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS.
.WED...NE TO E WINDS 25 TO 30 KT. SEAS 7 FT...BUILDING TO 9 FT
LATE. SCATTERED TSTMS.
.WED NIGHT...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE. NE TO E WINDS
30 TO 35 KT. SEAS 10 FT...BUILDING TO 13 FT LATE.
.THU...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE. ATLC EXPOSURES...E
WINDS 30 TO 35 KT...BECOMING E TO SE 35 TO 40 KT
LATE. SEAS 18 FT...BUILDING TO 21 FT LATE.
ELSEWHERE...NE TO E WINDS 50 TO 55 KT...BECOMING NE 55 TO 60 KT
LATE. SEAS 16 TO 21 FT.
.THU NIGHT...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.
.FRI...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.
.FRI NIGHT...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.
.SAT...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.
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#287 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:33 pm

some high cloud from sandy are near south fl it big storm
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#288 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:35 pm

Satellite is starting to show the mid level circ becoming more defined and appears to be co-located with the LLC. strong convective band developing. next recon may find sandy much closer to hurricane.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#289 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:46 pm

TROPICAL STORM SANDY INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 5A
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL182012
200 PM EDT TUE OCT 23 2012

...SANDY CONTINUES MOVING NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD...
...TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR HAITI...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.1N 77.6W
ABOUT 275 MI...440 KM SSW OF KINGSTON JAMAICA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 5 MPH...7 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...993 MB...29.32 INCHES
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#290 Postby wxman57 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:47 pm

WeatherOrKnot wrote:
CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT THE STORM CENTER WILL REMAIN WELL OFF THE
FLORIDA ATLANTIC COAST


Glad they are so confident :roll:


I'm quite confident of that, too. Southeast coast could be brushed by winds 30-40 mph, but the center of the storm will pass about 250 miles to the east.
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#291 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:50 pm

Should local impact/obs threads be created? How many members do we have in the western Caribbean (i.e. Cuba, Hispaniola, Jamaica) on here?
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#292 Postby Frank2 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:57 pm

Counting the 2 p.m. advisory, the past 3 advisories have it moving NNE at slowly increasing speed, so an established track is developing as it seems to be favoring a weakness to the NE, and if true then any threat to at least Florida is diminished, but stay tuned...

If this were September then it'd be a different issue, but this morning it was actually a bit chilly when I walked outside (71 on my car thermometer), so Fall is here in Florida...

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#293 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:58 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Should local impact/obs threads be created? How many members do we have in the western Caribbean (i.e. Cuba, Hispaniola, Jamaica) on here?


I would like storm2k to have many members from those places,but I think only 4 are from there. One of them has been posting at the Caribbean - Central America Weather thread all about what is going on in Jamaica. Well,if you want to make it go ahead.

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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#294 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:38 pm

18z Best Track remains at 45kts.

AL, 18, 2012102318, , BEST, 0, 140N, 777W, 45, 993, TS
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#295 Postby Hurricane_Luis » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:52 pm

Tropical Storm Sandy

Image

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Hurricane Watch
Eastern Cuba

Tropical Storm Watch
The Bahamas

Hurricane Warning
Jamaica

Tropical Storm Warning
Haiti
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#296 Postby Frank2 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:04 pm

Looking at the graphic the current NNE movement over the past 3 advisories is on the right edge of the cone and if it continued would put Sandy about 500 miles east of Miami (just my opinion)...
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#297 Postby Sanibel » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:20 pm

It's a good thing this isn't a favorable season with a normal October synoptic.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#298 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Afternoon HPC discussion: Also posted at Winter Forum.

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
329 PM EDT TUE OCT 23 2012

VALID 12Z FRI OCT 26 2012 - 12Z TUE OCT 30 2012


...POTENTIAL FOR MAJOR STORM OVER THE MID ATLANTIC & NORTHEAST
EARLY NEXT WEEK...


PRELIMINARY UPDATE...

UPDATED THE PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 THROUGH 7
USING THE 00Z/23 EUROPEAN CENTRE ENSEMBLE MEAN, WITH A SMALL
INCORPORATION OF THE 00Z/23 EUROPEAN CENTRE DETERMINISTIC MODEL TO
LEND MORE DEFINITION TO THE SYNOPTIC GRADIENTS ACROSS THE NATION.
USED THE MOST RECENT FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER
FOR THE TRACK OF TROPICAL STORM SANDY THROUGH DAY 5, WITH A CURVE
TO THE NORTHWEST DAYS 6 AND 7 BASED ON THE ECENS MEAN. THE 00Z/23
GEM GLOBAL CONTINUES TO CLUSTER WITH THE ECMWF FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF
SANDY ONCE IT TRANSITIONS TO AN EXTRATROPICAL SYSTEM, INDICATING
THAT THE CYCLONE GETS PULLED BACK TOWARD THE SHARP UPPER TROUGH
CLOSING OVER THE OHIO VALLEY. THE ECMWF AND GEM GLOBAL HAVE
SEVERAL RUNS OF CONTINUITY NOW WITH THE EVOLUTION OF THIS EVENT,
WITH THE DETERMINISTIC GFS LESS STABLE. THERE HAVE BEEN GFS
ENSEMBLE MEMBERS QUITE SIMILAR TO THE ECMWF/GEM CAMP FOR THE LAST
FEW DAYS OF MODEL CYCLES, PUTTING THE DETERMINISTIC GFS SOLUTIONS
IN A BROADER FRAMEWORK WITH THEIR TRACK OF SANDY WELL OVER THE
OPEN ATLANTIC. WILL BE UPDATING THE TRACK OF SANDY THROUGH DAY 5
FOR THE FINAL PACKAGE WITH THE ADVENT OF THE NEW NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER FORECAST, AND ITS BEHAVIOR AS AN EXTRATROPICAL
LOW THEREAFTER AS PER OUR HOTLINE COORDINATION.


FINAL...

ELECTED TO STAY THE COURSE BY KEEPING THE MAJOR EAST COAST STORM
IN PLAY FOR THE FINAL FORECAST. THE 12Z/23 DETERMINISTIC GFS SENDS
SANDY'S CIRCULATION OUT PAST BERMUDA BY THE END OF THE PERIOD,
WHILE THE 12Z/23 GEFS MEAN INCORPORATES IT ALONG THE EAST COAST IN
LINE WITH THE HPC MANUAL FORECAST. THE 12Z/23 GEM GLOBAL KEEPS
SANDY OUT OF REACH OF THE DIGGING TROUGH OVER NORTH AMERICA,
THOUGH LIKE THE LATEST GFS, IT IS PERHAPS BEST TO REGARD SUCH A
DETERMINISTIC SOLUTION AS A SLIGHTLY SOUPED-UP ENSEMBLE MEMBER.
THE 12Z/23 ECMWF STILL INCORPORATES AN EXTREMELY DEEP
POST-TROPICAL SANDY INTO THE MID-LEVEL PIVOT POINT OF THE POLAR
JET IN THE VICINITY OF LONG ISLAND EARLY NEXT TUESDAY, THE DYNAMIC
TRANSFER RESULTING IN A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF AT LEAST 932MB.
THEREIN LIES THE STORM'S MENACE- A POWERHOUSE CAPABLE OF WHIPPING
THE ATLANTIC INTO A FRENZY AND CHURNING UP DANGEROUS TIDES. OF
PARTICULAR NOTE IS THE COINCIDENCE OF THE FULL MOON ON SUNDAY,
OFTEN A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN HISTORICAL EVENTS. THE OCEAN EFFECTS
OF THE SYSTEM MAY STILL BE REALIZED EVEN IF POST-TROPICAL SANDY
DOES NOT MAKE LANDFALL IN THE UNITED STATES. BESIDES THE WIND, THE
OTHER SENSIBLE WEATHER THREAT IS HEAVY RAINS, WITH HEAVY SNOWS
POSSIBLE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE HYBRID CIRCULATION WHERE
CONTINENTAL POLAR AIR RUSHES ACROSS THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS.

HAVE PREFERRED THE EUROPEAN CENTRE GUIDANCE FOR HANDLING OF THE
MAIN BAND OF WESTERLIES FOR SEVERAL DAYS NOW, ITS SYNOPTIC NUANCES
BEST SERVING THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN UNITED STATES WHERE THE FLOW
OPENS UP IN THE WAKE OF THE AMPLIFICATION OF THE EASTERN TROUGH.


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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#299 Postby Steve H. » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:50 pm

Note that the Melbourne FL office has not updated their local afternoon forecast yet, but will probably post soon since they were on conference call.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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