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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#341 Postby weatherwindow » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:15 pm

boca wrote:Other than the increse in Gradient across Florida Sandy is already moving NNE and by the time it reaches our latitude it will by 500 miles to the east of South Florida.I don't see much of an impact on Florida.Just an observation.

Good evening, my friend...I think you are missing the very gradual backing of the current NNE track to due N after it clears jamaica which helps negate the earlier eastward leaning of the track and the possibility of a more N to a point or two west of N as Sandy clears Cuba. The end result is a 186 nm displacement of the track from the Florida coast....Rich
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#342 Postby AdamFirst » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:21 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:They already found winds supporting 55 kt and haven't even been to the right-front quadrant yet, so maybe Hurricane Sandy? Hard to say.


Probably not yet. RGB/infrared satellite doesn't really show the eyewall fully wrapped around on the southern quadrant.

I'd say 60 or 65 MPH at 11
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#343 Postby JamesCaneTracker » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:23 pm

AdamFirst wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:They already found winds supporting 55 kt and haven't even been to the right-front quadrant yet, so maybe Hurricane Sandy? Hard to say.


Probably not yet. RGB/infrared satellite doesn't really show the eyewall fully wrapped around on the southern quadrant.

I'd say 60 or 65 MPH at 11


Doesn't really Matter what Sat images show when we have Recon flying through it and reporting a completely Closed Eyewall. It's ragged but still closed and the sat images haven't really changed much since the last pass.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#344 Postby fci » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:24 pm

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boca wrote:Other than the increse in Gradient across Florida Sandy is already moving NNE and by the time it reaches our latitude it will by 500 miles to the east of South Florida.I don't see much of an impact on Florida.Just an observation.

Good evening, my friend...I think you are missing the very gradual backing of the current NNE track to due N after it clears jamaica which helps negate the earlier eastward leaning of the track and the possibility of a more N to a point or two west of N as Sandy clears Cuba. The end result is a 186 nm displacement of the track from the Florida coast....Rich

According to Storm Carib's How Close can it get, it will be 217.3 miles from West Palm on Friday at 5:00. This is based on 5:00 advisory forecast track.
http://stormcarib.com/closest.cgi
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#345 Postby ozonepete » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:27 pm

:uarrow: Bottom line being anyone in southeast Florida should be ready for wind and rain with possible storm damage, just in case. Only the NHC and your local government and weather office can call an all clear.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#346 Postby OuterBanker » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:32 pm

So far so good for us. It still looks as though it will stay safely offshore of NC before it's captured. The east coast can ill afford another Holloween (perfect storm) storm again. BTW, full moon is also this weekend. Another factor to consider if it does threaten the mid-Atlantic or NE. I just hope the GFS is right not the Euro.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#347 Postby brunota2003 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:35 pm

OuterBanker wrote:So far so good for us. It still looks as though it will stay safely offshore of NC before it's captured. The east coast can ill afford another Holloween (perfect storm) storm again. BTW, full moon is also this weekend. Another factor to consider if it does threaten the mid-Atlantic or NE. I just hope the GFS is right not the Euro.

I would still keep my eye on it, though. The gradient will be tight on the backside (west side) with the approaching trough, and winds will still be kicking up over eastern NC. Surf and coastal erosion will be big issues, also. Like any typical Nor' Easter.
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#348 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:36 pm

Nowhere on the East Coast is all clear from this one.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#349 Postby chaser1 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:36 pm

fci wrote:
weatherwindow wrote:
boca wrote:Other than the increse in Gradient across Florida Sandy is already moving NNE and by the time it reaches our latitude it will by 500 miles to the east of South Florida.I don't see much of an impact on Florida.Just an observation.

Good evening, my friend...I think you are missing the very gradual backing of the current NNE track to due N after it clears jamaica which helps negate the earlier eastward leaning of the track and the possibility of a more N to a point or two west of N as Sandy clears Cuba. The end result is a 186 nm displacement of the track from the Florida coast....Rich

According to Storm Carib's How Close can it get, it will be 217.3 miles from West Palm on Friday at 5:00. This is based on 5:00 advisory forecast track.
http://stormcarib.com/closest.cgi


Now, how the hell did I come up with a distance of 196 miles.........? (back to the drawing boards LOL )
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#350 Postby stephen23 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:51 pm

Seems to be a whole lot of convection starting over past hour or so
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#351 Postby Miami Storm Tracker » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:18 pm

Good Evening everyone,

I don't post that often but do have a question. Once Sandy gets north of Key Largo and the winds come in from the north west. Should I be concerned about rising water up in to the canal from the bay and black water sound?
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#352 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:19 pm

This long discussion is from Bryan Norcross on his Facebook page:

Wow... what an extraordinarily unusual scenario. What seemed like a fluke of an idea - a hurricane-like system hitting the northeastern U.S. - is gaining credibility. Originally the European model was on its own with the spectacular but som
ewhat bizarre idea that Sandy would be injected with jet stream energy and curve back toward New England as a stunningly strong storm. Now one model after the other, including the ensembles, are favoring a swing back toward the East Coast after the storm goes by Cape Hatteras.

This the the afternoon run of the American GFS model ensembles - multiple lower-resolution runs with slightly different initial information, which allows for the fact that we can't measure the atmosphere precisely among other things. The majority of the possible tracks now head into the Northeast, New England, or Atlantic Canada.

Could it really be a strong hurricane, as the European model predicts? We know that, occasionally, hurricanes do occur at these high latitudes at the end of October. Famously, the "Perfect Storm", otherwise known as the Halloween Hurricane battered New England in 1991. Also, Category 2 Hurricane Ginny hit Nova Scotia in late October 1963. But, neither were of a scale and impact like the Euro is showing.

With the influence of the jet stream, you would think any storm that comes ashore would be subtropical in nature - part tropical and part like a nor'easter - but the NHC doesn't allow for subtropical hurricanes in their naming scheme. It's considered to be such a rare and nearly impossible event.

The spectacularly unusual confluence of events is the shape and orientation of the dip in the jet stream that is forecast to develop over eastern North America over the weekend - oriented in such a way to pull Sandy inland instead of pushing it out to sea, and the presence of a strong tropical or subtropical system where it can get pulled in. That's so bizarrely unusual that I can't think of another event like it.

This kind of thing occasionally happens with nor'easters, notably the Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950 which curved in off the Atlantic and dumped 20 to 30 inches of snow over a wide area in the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest, but the odds of it happening with a system that originated in the tropics - with all of the moisture that that implies - are extremely low.

We certainly don't know that it's going to happen, and our concern at the moment is for our friends in the Caribbean and the Bahamas who will take a direct hit from a strengthening hurricane. The Florida and Carolina coasts also need to be ready to take protective action - especially boaters and people right at the coast - depending on the track Thursday to Saturday. But it's not often that credible forecast models consistently forecast a historic event, and with more models leaning that way, we need to be aware and pay attention along the entire U.S. East Coast.
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#353 Postby gatorcane » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:19 pm

fci wrote:
weatherwindow wrote:
boca wrote:Other than the increse in Gradient across Florida Sandy is already moving NNE and by the time it reaches our latitude it will by 500 miles to the east of South Florida.I don't see much of an impact on Florida.Just an observation.

Good evening, my friend...I think you are missing the very gradual backing of the current NNE track to due N after it clears jamaica which helps negate the earlier eastward leaning of the track and the possibility of a more N to a point or two west of N as Sandy clears Cuba. The end result is a 186 nm displacement of the track from the Florida coast....Rich

According to Storm Carib's How Close can it get, it will be 217.3 miles from West Palm on Friday at 5:00. This is based on 5:00 advisory forecast track.
http://stormcarib.com/closest.cgi


Plus as the system could be transitioning to a hybrid system as it passes through the Bahamas east of Florida, the windfield is undoubtedly going to expand and there could easily be tropical storm force winds well away from where the center passes. Obviously the closer to SE Florida, the higher the winds. The storm could end up very large and sprawled out, not your typical compact system that passes east of Florida as would normally be the case. Should the system take the left side of the cone, it could get downright nasty here. If it takes the right side, it wouldn't be as bad.
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#354 Postby WYNweather » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:20 pm

Somebody posted this site in June will be neat to watch as it passes by
http://hint.fm/wind/
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#355 Postby lester » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:20 pm

pressure down to 989 mbs per recon with a ragged eye and an open eyewall to the SW
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#356 Postby AdamFirst » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:29 pm

Recon fixes showing a wobbly northward movement, rather than a north-northeast movement?
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Re: ATL: SANDY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#357 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:31 pm

i got feeling miami could see wind upto 60mph if this pass close to coast by western bahamas this system look worst weather could be west side not like other system that east side so models got worst on nw side and west
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#358 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:33 pm

key at 11pm will cone move left
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#359 Postby ozonepete » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:37 pm

Miami Storm Tracker wrote:Good Evening everyone,

I don't post that often but do have a question. Once Sandy gets north of Key Largo and the winds come in from the north west. Should I be concerned about rising water up in to the canal from the bay and black water sound?


Absolutely. You will have to wait for the advisories, watches and warnings to come in but pay close attention to what the local weather office and officials tell you. If you don't usually read the local AFD (Area Forecast Discussion) they are great for getting an early heads up. Your local one would be here: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.ph ... 80.449&e=1

Just scroll to near the bottom where it says ADDITIONAL FORECASTS and INFORMATION and click on the Forecast Discussion. You can see what your local weather experts are thinking about coming effects, often before they actually issue warnings. Good luck!
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#360 Postby brunota2003 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:39 pm

Looks like Recon is lining up for one last pass from SE to NW before heading home.
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