ATL: SANDY - Remnants - Discussion

[sweetpea]

I think a lot of us are just kind of in shock...

I mean, what can one say? We're watching the perfect storm.

That pretty much sums up my feelings. I am in awe.

[galaxy401]

Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.

Oh dear. Prayers to that ship. Hopefully the ship will safely reach its destination. Wish they do this after the storm though.

[jinftl]

No doubt we will see passenger videos on youtube in a few days. I used to work on the corporate side of a major cruise company here in south florida and a ship sitting at port empty literally loses millions each day. They will reroute but heading into the atlantic right now from new york harbor is a daunting prospect for the faint of heart when it comes to sea sickness.

Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.

Oh dear. Prayers to that ship. Hopefully the ship will safely reach its destination. Wish they do this after the storm though.

[JuliannaMKH]

Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.

Oh dear. Prayers to that ship. Hopefully the ship will safely reach its destination. Wish they do this after the storm though.

Good Lord. I know it's a really big boat but at the least it's going to be a bumpy ride. A most it could end up a horrible disaster in the middle of, well, a horrible disaster.

[CronkPSU]

Ok, seriously... Where IS everyone?

What are you talking about? There are over 370 people (counting guests) that are reading this site. Just because people don't have anything to say, doesn't mean they aren't reading.

I guess I mean that any storm seriously threatening millions of people would NORMALLY have SLIGHTLY more posts this close to landfall. Correct me if I'm wrong?

when we get this close to a storm making landfall, I have learned that I may be here all the time but I leave the posts for the real experts and important announcements s to not clog the board

[jaxfladude]

Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.

Oh dear. Prayers to that ship. Hopefully the ship will safely reach its destination. Wish they do this after the storm though.

Plot-line of a very bad SYFY channel movie....
Hope the cruise is safe and that those in charge know what they are doing.....

[WeatherGuesser]

I see charts showing projected landfall sometime late Monday, but when can conditions be expected to really get difficult for NYC/NJ? Early Monday? Tonight?

[Dave]

In case someone doesn't know about this thread here's the link for reports in and near the affected areas.

SANDY - Probs/Obs/Reports - Mid-Atlantic/Northeast/E Canada

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=114082&start=80

[monicaei]

Good luck and god speed to all onboard.

If something goes wrong the Captain deserves to be strung from a yardarm. Im guessing no one sat down and said... "honey, this year let's ride out a super storm on a floating death trap"

I shall stop posting now, to not clutter the board...

[cycloneye]

And here is that cruise ship Caribbean Princess cam.Going to Boston.

[baygirl_1]

[quote="jinftl"]A tropical storm wind field size you won't see often...bermuda is in the t.s. winds now and they have been under a t.s. warning since yesterday!

Have to wonder how that Carnival Cruise that was going from New York to the Bahamas is doing..as of last night, they weren't changing course!

I found this thread on Cruise Critic with live updates from someone on that cruise:
http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1729609
Straight down the East coast sounds scary to me!

[jinftl]

If you can believe this....i stand corrected...this is the ship that TWC showed heading out of NYC harbor. Ship is heading south for two days at sea and then Port Caneveral, Florida

From website: Carnival's Miracle's October 29 sailing will now depart a day early, on October 28. Check-in is scheduled from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and departure is set for 6 p.m. The revised schedule is as follows: New York (October 28), Day at Sea (October 29 and 30), Port Canaveral (October 31), Nassau (November 1), Day at Sea (November 2), Grand Turk (November 3), Day at Sea (November 4 and 5), return to New York (November 6).

[Terry]

This is just wrong-headed. It's not like they can go north, south or east and get away from the huge seas. At the very least, they'll have people puking all of the place. I was on a cruise out of Miami that headed into a not-too-bad Nor'Easter. 95% of the people were sick and didn't come to meals.

[Terry]

This is what someone on here was posting about earlier and I said NO WAY. Way... As in Way Stupid.

If you can believe this....i stand corrected...this is the ship that TWC showed heading out of NYC harbor. Ship is heading south for two days at sea and then Port Caneveral, Florida

From website: Carnival's Miracle's October 29 sailing will now depart a day early, on October 28. Check-in is scheduled from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and departure is set for 6 p.m. The revised schedule is as follows: New York (October 28), Day at Sea (October 29 and 30), Port Canaveral (October 31), Nassau (November 1), Day at Sea (November 2), Grand Turk (November 3), Day at Sea (November 4 and 5), return to New York (November 6).

[jinftl]

The weather data this ship will be able to provide will be like a recon flight on the surface...we will get great real time pressure and wind readings...if they send it to the NHC!

This is just wrong-headed. It's not like they can go north, south or east and get away from the huge seas. At the very least, they'll have people puking all of the place. I was on a cruise out of Miami that headed into a not-too-bad Nor'Easter. 95% of the people were sick and didn't come to meals.

[SevenTreesFarm]

Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.

I keep hearing the Gilligan's Island theme in my head when I think of this ship. Crazy people.

[FutureEM]

This could be an example of profits>safety, but if the ship is damaged or ppl are injured it is all a net loss anyways. Stupid

[Hurricane_Luis]

Hurricane Sandy



I think its starting to look a bit extra-tropical, but looks brilliant though

[SouthDadeFish]

Great structure:



The image is a little old, but the low level structure is still pretty solid. I could definitely see why the models ramp this up before landfall.

[chaser1]

Ok, seriously... Where IS everyone?

What are you talking about? There are over 370 people (counting guests) that are reading this site. Just because people don't have anything to say, doesn't mean they aren't reading.

No, seriously.....is a valid question/observation. I can't speak for anyone else, however as one who does enjoy posting in most tropical cyclone "discussion" or the "model" forums, I am sitting back and have not chosen or needed to post for a number of reason.

1) I have family up in Woodmere (Long Island), NY. I have been pouring over model info, slosh models, etc., as well as been on the phone trying to urge them to evacuate given that they are less than a mile from Motts Creek which connects to the North Bay in S. Long Island. I am reallyl fearfull of the possibility of standing water in their house for perhaps a 24 hr. (or longer) duration - dependant on timing with astronomical tide, direction of landfall/wind direction, etc. Despite their awareness of my tropical meteorological knowledge, they are reluctant to evacuate to be with other family not too far away and out of (storm surge) harms way.

2) I am rather out of my leauge with hybrid/baroclinic/post tropical systems and I just do not have much to draw on with regards to my own historical awareness or knowledge of similar baroclinic transitional systems. As one who has chased hurricanes for years, I never had much interest in systems once they've traversed latitudes farther north than the N. Caroline Cape, mostly due to the fact that the vast majority of storms at this latitude, would have simply lost most tropical characteristics and many would have weakened to a T.S. while nearing landfall.

3) Most tropical cyclone "enthusiasts", are fascinated in the evolution and development of such systems and some of the amazing meteorological features associated. With Sandy, ever since spinning east of the N. Bahamas, nearly all convection has been lost and many may have lost interest in the "minute by minute" observations that many here make on minor changes in dynamic structure. The process by which purely tropical systems weaken and have wind fields expand, makes the cyclone (NOT the event) itself less dynamic. When one removes the cyclone itself from the event, many (tropical weather enthusiasts) cannot comprehend the risks associated with 60-70mph; not when they are so much more accustomed to watching or tracking much stronger hurricanes. Kinda like me hearing about a series of 4.0 earthquakes somewhere in California, when I live in Florida. I think, not a big deal, but I know full well that if I heard a 7.5 quake - that this could be a disaster. The reality is that even a series of smaller quakes might be enough to cause havoc - at leasts to a number of unfortunate people but the balance of the general public that do not experience such things, would hardly grasp the perspective.

4) And finally, there is the "regional interest". People's interest are typically peaked when "they" are the one at risk of being affected. Take it a step futher; even thouse in Louisiana might be concerned in a Florida landfall event. Why? Well for one, because there remains that downstream risk that the same storm might just continue into the Gulf and impact them. I think that is normal human behavior though.

Having said all this, it continues to be hard for me to wrap my mind around an event where the storm itself seems less than dynamic, yet I do understand that its all about the conditions that will prevail for an area that is less inclinded to experience them. Like many others, I am still here but simply hanging back and watching it all unfold.