ATL: SANDY - Remnants - Discussion

[terstorm1012]

We're ready to go here north of Harrisburg, where the center will likely cross us Tuesday during the day. Candles, supplies for days, water, gadgets charged.

Everyone's been getting ready for this although I told people I know to start getting ready on Wednesday. I'm still in some shock that this is actually happening.

An anecdote: I have a bird feeder and for much of the day there were no birds. None. That spooked the heck out of me. One of my two tufted titmice appeared before dark but it was a brief sighting. Even the birds are hunkered down.

[HedwigTramp]

Here's a video on youtube from a passenger on a ship 17 hours ago feeling Sandy's effects. Looks fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o018v6GnBI

This could be an example of profits>safety, but if the ship is damaged or ppl are injured it is all a net loss anyways. Stupid

Look closely at this "scarey" video and you will notice in all the shots that the horizon is flat as a pancake. Its like he/she is on a pier. Either the photographer on the boat has multi-thousand dollar gyroscopes making sure the camera stays level, or the ship has minimal rocking.

My last comment on the ships.

[CrazyC83]

Welcome to my "neighbors" in DE and MD. We'll get through this together.

I received the same e-mails from Verizon. I'm glad that they are at least reaching out but I know what you are saying.

I doubt that I will be online tomorrow. I have a lot of trees around my home too. Starting to get a little anxious.

Even up in Canada, I have been anxious for days. Another 24 hours or so and she starts blasting in.

[itglobalsecure]

Heatseeker - I'm also in Caroline County - Greensboro. (That's about 20 miles SW of Dover DE, 40 miles SW of Cape May NJ). Small world isn't it?! So far, so good, just getting chillier. Cheryl

[WeatherGuesser]

Federal offices in Washington area to be closed Monday because of Sandy
Washington Post - ‎26 minutes ago‎



WASHINGTON - Federal workers in the Washington area are getting a day off thanks to Hurricane Sandy. The U.S. Office of Personnel Management says federal offices will be closed Monday.

[KBBOCA]

Can someone link the quote from bloomberg saying they won't need FEMA aid cuz they are so prepared?

"President Obama asked Craig Fugate from FEMA to call me earlier in the day and offer any help. I assured him that we had, we think, everything under control but we appreciate the effort. What FEMA really can do is to help those parts of the country that don't have all of the extensive facilities and agencies and practice that New York City does. But I did want to thank them for their offer.

from here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2012b/p ... tatic.html

[Trader Ron]

I came back from a cruise Thursday night on the Majesty OTS from Key West. We had 15+ foot waves, but it wasn't that bad. Had worse weather when I was in the Navy.

[monicaei]

Can someone link the quote from bloomberg saying they won't need FEMA aid cuz they are so prepared?

"President Obama asked Craig Fugate from FEMA to call me earlier in the day and offer any help. I assured him that we had, we think, everything under control but we appreciate the effort. What FEMA really can do is to help those parts of the country that don't have all of the extensive facilities and agencies and practice that New York City does. But I did want to thank them for their offer.

from here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2012b/p ... tatic.html

Thanks.

[Stephanie]

Can someone link the quote from bloomberg saying they won't need FEMA aid cuz they are so prepared?

"President Obama asked Craig Fugate from FEMA to call me earlier in the day and offer any help. I assured him that we had, we think, everything under control but we appreciate the effort. What FEMA really can do is to help those parts of the country that don't have all of the extensive facilities and agencies and practice that New York City does. But I did want to thank them for their offer.

from here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2012b/p ... tatic.html

I can't post my thoughts on this....

[Stephanie]

Welcome to my "neighbors" in DE and MD. We'll get through this together.

I received the same e-mails from Verizon. I'm glad that they are at least reaching out but I know what you are saying.

I doubt that I will be online tomorrow. I have a lot of trees around my home too. Starting to get a little anxious.

Even up in Canada, I have been anxious for days. Another 24 hours or so and she starts blasting in.

She's going to affect a lot of people in so many different ways. Stay safe!

[sweetpea]

Can someone link the quote from bloomberg saying they won't need FEMA aid cuz they are so prepared?

"President Obama asked Craig Fugate from FEMA to call me earlier in the day and offer any help. I assured him that we had, we think, everything under control but we appreciate the effort. What FEMA really can do is to help those parts of the country that don't have all of the extensive facilities and agencies and practice that New York City does. But I did want to thank them for their offer.

from here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2012b/p ... tatic.html

I can't post my thoughts on this....

I can't either, my husband is still "voicing his opinion"

[KBBOCA]

Dr. Masters has a new blog entry up and cites the latest HWind analysis for Sandy:

This afternoon's 3:30 pm EDT H*Wind analysis from NOAA's Hurricane Research Division put the destructive potential of Sandy's winds at a modest 2.8 on a scale of 0 to 6. However, the destructive potential of the storm surge was record high: 5.8 on a scale of 0 to 6.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... rynum=2279

[Paschal]

An anecdote: I have a bird feeder and for much of the day there were no birds. None. That spooked the heck out of me. One of my two tufted titmice appeared before dark but it was a brief sighting. Even the birds are hunkered down.

This is something that we've noticed too. We're in Hyattsville, MD, and none of the birds that we normally see flying, roosting on buildings, or coming to our balcony have been present today. Normally at this time, the starlings and sparrows are out on our balcony all day. But today, all we saw was one small flock of Juncos, which we usually see only when there is snow or will be snow; I believe that they come down from the higher altitudes that are their usual "neighborhoods"

Eerily quiet all day; no bird chatter. Just the occasional rustle of dead leaves when a breeze picks up - the "calm before the storm"...

[KBBOCA]

From the same blog entry by Jeff Masters... let's keep this stat in mind, and see how well the folks at Johns Hopkins did in estimating the extent of the power outage.

Sandy's winds
Sandy will bring sustained winds of tropical storm-force to a 1000-mile swath of coast on Monday and Tuesday. Winds of 55 - 75 mph with gusts over hurricane force will occur along a 500 mile-wide section of coast. With most of the trees still in leaf, there will be widespread power outages due to downed trees, and the potential for several billion dollars in wind damage. A power outage computer model run by Johns Hopkins University predicts that 10 million people will lose power from the storm.

[Stephanie]

Ok, seriously... Where IS everyone?

What are you talking about? There are over 370 people (counting guests) that are reading this site. Just because people don't have anything to say, doesn't mean they aren't reading.

No, seriously.....is a valid question/observation. I can't speak for anyone else, however as one who does enjoy posting in most tropical cyclone "discussion" or the "model" forums, I am sitting back and have not chosen or needed to post for a number of reason.

1) I have family up in Woodmere (Long Island), NY. I have been pouring over model info, slosh models, etc., as well as been on the phone trying to urge them to evacuate given that they are less than a mile from Motts Creek which connects to the North Bay in S. Long Island. I am reallyl fearfull of the possibility of standing water in their house for perhaps a 24 hr. (or longer) duration - dependant on timing with astronomical tide, direction of landfall/wind direction, etc. Despite their awareness of my tropical meteorological knowledge, they are reluctant to evacuate to be with other family not too far away and out of (storm surge) harms way.

2) I am rather out of my leauge with hybrid/baroclinic/post tropical systems and I just do not have much to draw on with regards to my own historical awareness or knowledge of similar baroclinic transitional systems. As one who has chased hurricanes for years, I never had much interest in systems once they've traversed latitudes farther north than the N. Caroline Cape, mostly due to the fact that the vast majority of storms at this latitude, would have simply lost most tropical characteristics and many would have weakened to a T.S. while nearing landfall.

3) Most tropical cyclone "enthusiasts", are fascinated in the evolution and development of such systems and some of the amazing meteorological features associated. With Sandy, ever since spinning east of the N. Bahamas, nearly all convection has been lost and many may have lost interest in the "minute by minute" observations that many here make on minor changes in dynamic structure. The process by which purely tropical systems weaken and have wind fields expand, makes the cyclone (NOT the event) itself less dynamic. When one removes the cyclone itself from the event, many (tropical weather enthusiasts) cannot comprehend the risks associated with 60-70mph; not when they are so much more accustomed to watching or tracking much stronger hurricanes. Kinda like me hearing about a series of 4.0 earthquakes somewhere in California, when I live in Florida. I think, not a big deal, but I know full well that if I heard a 7.5 quake - that this could be a disaster. The reality is that even a series of smaller quakes might be enough to cause havoc - at leasts to a number of unfortunate people but the balance of the general public that do not experience such things, would hardly grasp the perspective.

4) And finally, there is the "regional interest". People's interest are typically peaked when "they" are the one at risk of being affected. Take it a step futher; even thouse in Louisiana might be concerned in a Florida landfall event. Why? Well for one, because there remains that downstream risk that the same storm might just continue into the Gulf and impact them. I think that is normal human behavior though.

Having said all this, it continues to be hard for me to wrap my mind around an event where the storm itself seems less than dynamic, yet I do understand that its all about the conditions that will prevail for an area that is less inclinded to experience them. Like many others, I am still here but simply hanging back and watching it all unfold.

We've always had many lurkers or "guests" when storms like this come along. With that being said, your post and comments are very valid and IMHO, spot on.

[brunota2003]

Shout out for Sandy on the NYG/Dallas game just a minute ago by the announcers. Said for everyone to stay safe.

[KBBOCA]

Please forgive the focus on ships... but apparently there's a lot of traffic out of NY Harbor tonight.

Explorer of the Seas - Bermuda
Norwegian Pearl - Port Canaveral
Queen Mary 2 - Southampton, UK
Canival Miracle - Port Canaveral

I do understand it's generally safer for the ship to ride it out at sea. But to take passengers right into the path of the storm to Port Canaveral? Hard to imagine.

link: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/defaul ... .3&zoom=10

[jaxfladude]

Dr. Masters has a new blog entry up and cites the latest HWind analysis for Sandy:

This afternoon's 3:30 pm EDT H*Wind analysis from NOAA's Hurricane Research Division put the destructive potential of Sandy's winds at a modest 2.8 on a scale of 0 to 6. However, the destructive potential of the storm surge was record high: 5.8 on a scale of 0 to 6.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... rynum=2279

Correct me, anyone, but are those numbers inching up both wind and storm surge compared to earlier ones?

[RedWall]

Crazy how even the Great Lakes are even being affected by this. They're talking flooding and huge waves.

[Time_Zone]

How bad could this thing possibly be?

I mean, it won't be as bad as say...Ike will it?